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Post-Hindraf... 'Revoke their citizenship'

FEEL-BAD.jpgThe issue of the marginalised Indian community may be lost.

The Hindu Rights Action Force (Hindraf) has now been accused of making allegations that the Government carried out ethnic cleansing of Indians in Malaysia.

Prime Minister Abdullah Ahmad Badawi, visibly angry in Malacca yesterday, has hit out at Hindraf and said: “The allegations are all lies to deceive the Indians that they are an exploited race. Malaysians will not believe this. Even the Malaysian Indians will not believe this."

Umno vice-president cum Malacca chief minister Mohd Ali Rustam urged the Government to revoke the citizenship of Hindraf) leaders.

While some Hindraf leaders are reported to be seeking appointments to meet international bodies to air their views -- DPM Najib Razak said this will hurt Malaysia - they are also seeking an appointment with Abdullah for the same purpose.

Let's see if Abdullah will lend his Big Ears to his countrymen.

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Hoping to get Abdullah Badawi's big ears must surely be a joke. It would be easier for Hindraf, it would seem, to get the ears of Buckingham palace, the White House and the Indian parliament and Prime minister than the Prime Minister of Mickey mouse Malaysia.

Talking about Mickey mouse just like how you would bait a rat in your house, it would seem like Badawi has been deceiving the population all this while. He hsa told tht he only wants to hear the truth. But did he respond to any truth? No.

But by his own actions and behaviour he proves here that he does respond to lies. After all it is he who says its a lie. And he is responding isn't he?

Just like that, if you have previously told him what you know to be the truth, do you know him to have responded?

Hey, was Badawi born in the year of the rat maybe?

Samy Vellu has failed the Indian Community when he failed to stomp his feet and put up enough tantrums when dealing with the Umno leadership. But what can he do when BN is in effect a coalition of UNequal partnership with UMNO in effective control and pulling the strings. Samy is also angry in the Video Clip for all the 2-months efforts he put in “reports after reports were passed over to the PM and in turn these were pushed over to the DPM for further meetings” and finally KIV when he tried to get the Indians into Government service. That is why Hindraf reiterated "that we have no confidence in the MIC Special Committee and MIC hotline proposal as hundreds such committees and hotlines have been proposed and had before in the last 50 years but with almost zero results

More details & Video clip (2min46s) – How SAMY & Government Failed the Indian Community with inputs from Anwar & Prof Khoo
The most formidable task is faced by Rafidah in Mumbai, India promoting “Malaysian Islamic Banking” there

Go H E R E

The thing is being turned around in today's headlines. This pm and his dpm only focused on the term 'ethnic cleansing' and used that to debunk hindraf by calling them blatant lies.

Badawi should instead be asking why was it so many came out to walk and draw attention from the world. He should ask why is it the indians have the highest suicide rate in this country. He should also ask himself if the mic is doing such a great job representing the indian community, why shouldn't he humour the hindraf by coming down from his clouds to go to the ground and meet them in order to find out for himself why some of the people have found mic lacking. His lack of curiosity is indeed curious.

His talking smaller would have put him in touch with them; after all, their assembly was only illegal to the extent his administration didn't want to give them the permit to rally where they wanted; you can't move the british consulate on a sunday.

The crux of the matter is what has been happening to the indian community in this country for so long that they have to resort to such things in order to draw international attention to their plight.

He should have seen it coming but one will need too much faith in his ability to see things clearly; the buck stops at the chief for indirectly blaming his kaki's for not telling him the truth. With the power vested in him, no one can stop him from finding out what has really been happening. He failed himself, and thus the people whom he is now trying to make out to be bad.

When people kill themselves, find that their community is less in size than the foreign workers who are supposed to be here on temporary posting and yet get mykad without any personal sacrifice of their forefathers, remember their community's sacrifices for this country they have been makin for over fifty years, find that the main political power, umno, will only view the indian community through a prism supplied by the mic head, a crony and ballcarrier in all but name, then how can they not be angry enough to take to the streets?

That is what it's all about - the marginalization of the indian community creating a fizzure in communication, intended or otherwise, that has grown to label-hurling ending in just a ...hotline. Hello, hello, will all complaints be pursued to conclusion?

Really it's not about using the term 'ethnic cleansing' although it could be about actions that portray ethnic cleansing in result, eg kg medan. So why spin away from the root of the matter in order to fashion an escape hatch to make the govt look better and the people look worse?

Is that action fair, just and accurate of the situation?

What exactly has been happening here? Umno has conveniently forgotten that the Barisan Nasional is a coalition. But it is a coalition of political parties each representing its own racial community. It should be a coalition of ideals that can be defended by whoever wants to champion them. A malay can champion the rights of the chinese and indian inasmuch that an indian and chinese can champion the rights of a malay. You want pro-malaysian vs anti-establishment. That should be it. And in our case, it is based on brotherly love and common sharing of the same earthly place of sharing and caring, more so these days common challenges. But it has all along been establishment = umno = malays. So how to achieve any ideal beyond the trappings of political membership?

What has happened instead is that after may-13, Umno crowbarred its way to more political power than the other members, and proceeded to decide almost all national policies that affected them. It did so from a heavily monoracial angle. In a word, with a strongly malay bias. The spinners will say that the other parties are also shared some of the power, in exchange for turning a blind eye to all the things that Umno did, does and will do that prioritises the welfare of the malays. Well and fine, no one can disagree if a fellow brother doesn't do well through no fault of his own birth, he should be helped out using national resources. But what has been happening consistently is that the policy of helping the malays has been done in a way that marginalizes the equally badly off members of the other communities. At best they get trifles. At worst, their identity, opportunities and grievances get grinded to the ground.

Somewhere in between is the greater truth. But why should there even be a range? If everyone concerned is a citizen by right, then the rights of all citizens must be protected, supported and encouraged. You don't have to say more for me, less for you. That sort of thing is racist. And one should add, if someone has brought honor to the country, he should be recognized for his deed only, not for the color of his skin. And you also don't take his corpse away from his family.

What a joke of a country we have become!

So the formula of a coalition has been contaminated. Do you also know that the SB people follow the other component leaders around to see what they do in their own assemblies? If umno has a right to defend its own community, do the other parties have any lesser a right to defend theirs enough to pull away from the main line taken by Umno and portrayed as a barisan thing?

Aside from the daily ritual of killing a woman here, a child there, this country is a mess. Now they talk about the need to keep investor interest and therefore don't do this, don't do that. Does that mean people are to turn a blind eye to corruption and abuse of power so that the economy can grow so that the corrupters and abusers can continue to govern without transparency and accountability? Try answering that candidly.

Now they talk about the mechanics and dynamics of who wil vote for who, and how the urbans and rurals think differently and how Umno has a stranglehold on the minds of the rurals and therefore their continued domination of how this country will be governed.

Knowing this is a given, work around it. The rallies seem to present a new front all by themselves. Pliant and supplicant rakyat suddenly walk their talk and have become visible flesh-and-blood of all the anger about how this country has been run for so many years.

This is a sunday ramble. Badawi said he has big ears smarting from all the complaints that bombard them. Is the right way to solve recurring problems - wait for them to come to him as and when they happen on an individual basis - and then look around to find something to parcel out to keep them at bay until the next election so that the incumbents can be returned to repeat the same vicious cycle? Try answering that candidly too.

If problems recur, go to their root causes and find solutions that can prevent them from recurring. If it's economic and wealth distribution, create a set of policies, embed them into the administration, profess them to the people, create benchmarks for service and integrity deliveries, then monitor them faithfully using new revenues earned from better economic and investment promotion policies that recognize the real hot buttons and concerns of investors from all over the world. Embrace world trends honestly and don't pull wool over anyone. Clear enough?

i am tired, mr ooi.

“The allegations are all lies to deceive the Indians that they are an exploited race. Malaysians will not believe this. Even the Malaysian Indians will not believe this."

Who are you trying to kid Badawi? I am a Malaysian who is not deaf, blind or stupid.

"Umno vice-president cum Malacca chief minister Mohd Ali Rustam urged the Government to revoke the citizenship of Hindraf) leaders".

No one should have the right to revoke the citizenship of another countryman. It is a born-right. Is this another go at ethnic cleansing?

"Let's see if Abdullah will lend his Big Ears to his countrymen".

Ever heard of the phase, "Listening but not hearing?" Perhaps it is siesta time again for the priviledged few?


I think your website had to be fair with the government. The hindraf do indeed go overboard by accusing the governemnt of 'ethnic cleansing'. Please check the wikipedia for defination. Your reports on hindraf so far have not been fair. All one sided reports. The hindraf memorandums do sound racist and your website seems to support racism against government NEP.

I supported BERSIH because it bring all 3 races together for a good cause but hindraf is putting hatred between the Indian and Malay in particular. It is trying to tear apart our Malaysia. Those protesters are behaving like thug. The police did a good job. Without them we would other wise having a racial riot. The hindraf is trying to provoke a 'ethnic cleaning' by the Malay or government to prove their point.

There is a dark plan in making to oust this PM AAB. I hope KJ is on his side to help this old man.

There had been numerous time PM AAB said something right but turn ugly immediately after. Why is that?

If AAB didn't realize himself and launch the next move to make this "ethic cleansing" a big issue, then the bait is on! The biggest fish to catch is PM AAB himself. One should know who is fishing his post all the while.

So watch the series of event after today. Let's see if this time it is a "gotcha"...

Let me say it clearer of what will happen to our PM AAB. If he is truly convinced that "ethic cleansing" is the main issue of the Hindraf movement, then he will press the necessary panic button to prevent it from happening further. Someone had been feeding him all this information, and this someone (or a group of people) have ill intention all the time to blind PM AAB eye from seeing the truth. PM AAB is simply too nice guy to play with!

PM AAB never want to spend his time to manage his country. He prefer it auto-pilot. Hence Nazri became his spoke person with "authority" and yet "no authority". If India attack Malaysia, the person who is responsible is PM AAB, not Nazri! Najib is playing cool, just keep quiet and say the "right" thing like Hindraf should not bring the issue to International level. But that's what he wanted as it leads to the downfall of PM AAB. And KJ is so tight up with the little latte chat in The Star!

Sometimes you got to pity PM AAB for the position he is in. He is a soft guy but small eye. He can hear but could not see.

Comments which say revoke the citizenship, shows how dumb and hopeless are the so called leaders of this government, that so many turned up, that these sre the children of whose forefathers came to this country and worked hard to jumstart the Malayan economy, today Badawi and his uncultured sidekicks are enjoying good wealth based on the hard work of these Indians, yet you spray chemical and tear gas upon them, how can not any good come out of this government.

When someone forgets what others have done and sacrificed for this country and begins to torment the children of those who sacrificed much, be warned, life has a way of repaying back to teh ungrateful. I hope Hindraf will not stop but continue to show defiance and more Indians turn up for protest when the call is given.

For the record, here are some thoughts.

To Mohd Ali Rustam: Did they really say "ethnic cleansing"? Or is this more apartheid practices? By sending the memorandum to the international scene, they're not betraying Malaysia, just trying to ensure that the plight of Malaysians get heard

Besides, when they complain within the country, it falls on deaf ears.

Revoking citizenship? Excuse me, if these HINDRAF lawyers were *born* in Malaysia, you do not revoke their citizenship. There is no "exchange" required ala the faulty social contract - you cannot revoke the citizenship of the HINDRAF leaders if they were born on Malaysian soil.

For crying out loud, they're sons of the soil!

To Najib: Yes, I think tarnishing the image of Malaysia internationally, is the idea. If you're not heard by your own countries leaders (and please don't blame Samy Vellu, you're as large a part of this problem as he is), you must be heard internationally.

Political motives? Clearly your obviousness is wrong. And I'm glad you know that using the ISA is the stupidest thing ever - it looks like you *do* fear international pressure. Good, at least there's something that keeps you honest.

kind regards.

Hi 2nd Class Citizen,

The following is the extract taken off wikipedia for 'ethnic cleansing' definition:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_cleansing

' Ethnic cleansing refers to various policies or practices aimed at the displacement of an ethnic group from a particular territory in order to create a supposedly ethnically "pure" society. '

That beings said, what transpired at Kampung Medan is of one such example (however the media and gov choosed to cover-up that incident).

http://www.tamil.net/list/2001-09/msg07088.html

The HINDRAF lawyers, I believe are not naive lots (else they would not have been lawyers in the first place). They would be smart enough to have evidences for all they claim (Time will be a proof of this).

Lastly, please do not stereotype Indians as thugs (that is the very notion the gov and press is trying to paint). Many Indians were peaceful at that demonstration, I hope you think of them as well. The intention was solely to bring up the plights of many common Indians whom have been systematically denied of their right by (unfortunately) none other than the gov because of it's affirmitive policies.

Hope you understand and see the greater picture now.

PeaceOut,
XeGa

Ethnic cleansing refers to various policies or practices aimed at the displacement of an ethnic group from a particular territory in order to create a supposedly ethnically "pure" society

However this do not happen in this country. Otherwise the 2nd richest man in this country would not be an indian and the hindraf leaders would not be allowed to become lawyers. At most you can claimed that this government is unfair through NEP but not to the extend to ethnic cleansing to wipe out the Indians in this country. Most of you all are just emotional and trying to justify the wrong of hindraf.

If the hindraf lawyers are smart enough to have the evidence, they should have put it on the net for all to judge. For me they are just provoking the Indian to go against the Malay.

Hope you see the greater picture that to fight racism with another racism, this strategy is destined to be doomed all of us will be losers.

If the incident of Kanpung Medan is true, than the government is probably doing the right thing by vovering up because otherwise the Indian will start killing the Malay and vice versa. When another racial riot happen, who do you think the government going to sacrifice? The Malay? or the Indian? Why not the government orchestrate another such incident?

The Indian believe this incident because the poor Indians wanted to believe this. They will believe this without asking any question just like the Malay will believe the government's words that they are still controlling the 13% of the economy.

You have your right to fight for the injustie but to fight it with raced based, religion based agenda, than you are not better than the government. It will only lead to more and more racism. The BERSIH got the right agenda which unite the 3 races but the hindraf is putting the hatred of Indians against the Malay in particular.

How convenient? Everytime someone comes out with something unpalatable to the govt..revoke citizenship. Is this the best they can think of? So who will they revoke next..They started with the Negarakuku guy..next Ambiga for leading the walk?

For a start..can this UMNO mouthpiece do better..like answering the petition point by point and shame Hindraf. I don't think this RustyTam is up to it.

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