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Today is one of the most historical day in Malaysia. It should also be one of the most 'professional' demonstration ever happened(unless monk is considered as professional too). It also changed my impresson on Malaysian lawyers. They really have guts!

Jeff,
Great shots you have here for LensaPress photos especially of the front line marching. Here we March for Justice; over in Myanmar, there is the March for Democracy & Freedom. For other details – slogans chanted & displayed - "We want justice" as they marched while holding placards stating "Judiciary has gone to the dogs" and "Judiciary has gone to the drain". For more crowds shots from afar, goto:
http://powerpresent.blogspot.com/2007/09/more-pics-video-thousands-marched-for.html

more pictures @ malaysia-today
http://malaysia-today.net/blog2006/pictures.php?itemid=8577

Great effort by our members of the Bar Council. My salute to all present. And my apologies, I couldn't add a head count to the Walk.

the photos really do have a great impact - makes me want to return to Malaysia and fight for justice!

Bravos, I love you all.

yc

A brave and concerted effort for those who participated in that walk. I'm glad that there are many who are unhappy with the current judiciary and DID something to facilitate a change.

As always, such a gathering (of historical significance) won't even be mentioned in government newspapers. A big boooo for that.

great and nice of you for sharing the photos jeff ...

to answer your call to spread the true message, i've selectively download some of your photos for my readers ... when it comes to justice, everyone should be aware and it should not only confined to politicians ...

cheers ...

http://stocktube.blogspot.com/2007/09/lawyers-long-march-to-save-judiciary.html

Great photos, Jeff!

A very professional march. Though I could not be there to join in, my heart was and am very proud of all these people. God bless all and God bless this nation.

Jeff, great shots and you know what? It's all true.I was there marching the extra 5 km with the lawyers when I bumped into Rocky by the pavement and he acknowledged me.But I never saw you inspite of all those shots. Cheers!

Hi Jeff!

Great site! I posted Beth Yahp's letter to the PM earlier and yesterday received a comment about. Just letting you know. Maybe you'd feel like taking a crack at it.

Here's said letter:
Dear Ms Yahp,

Why was it necessary for the one thousand odd lawyers joined by others to walk in protest while they could’ve met the Prime Minister to discuss the matter of their grievance through the good office of the Bar Council? Was the Council’s effort to secure a meeting with the PM frustrated which would justify the march?

On 10th November 2007, 40,000 people perhaps 80% of whom were members of the opposition parties gathered illegally to show the world a dark picture of our beloved country.

I’ve viewed most of the videos on the event in Malaysia Today and not one of them showed any evidence of people being beaten by the authorities. In this day and age where cameras and videos are incorporated into mobile telephones, I doubt if such an opportunity would have been missed by those in attendance.

Security forces are usually not deployed to safeguard the safety of those defying the law. They are there to enforce the law. They are not responsible to handle with care children who were “lovingly” brought by their “responsible” parents to an unlawful gathering.

It is certainly a journalist’s privilege to witness and report the event in full. Foreign journalists had no problems getting in. Even Harakah journalists did a full coverage on it. If the proper identification tags were displayed, I’m sure they would have been accorded the protocol. Today there are many parties claiming to be members of the media. Even bloggers claim to be such just because they do some pieces of reporting here and there.

You mention of “ state controlled” media like Malaysia is the only country in the world that has this practice. I urge you to look not to far in our neighbours. Our “state controlled” media at least are allowed to whack government officials and even cabinet ministers. Which other “state controlled” media in which other country will allow this? Perhaps being a non-Malay you may not subscribe to the Harakah Daily which is the opposition controlled newspaper. This newspaper goes to town with just about anything against the government but unlike its counterpart, they don’t highlight the wrongdoings of their leaders. On that score, I’d say the state controlled entity gets my vote.

This obedience that you speak of in journalists occur everywhere. State owned ones will take orders from the government leaders while the opposition ones do just the same with their leaders. So why are you complaining as this is not the fault of the bosses? On the contrary, it is the journalists whom we should blame for being normal human beings; loyal to the paymaster as long as they are on the payroll. The classic example is in the former “state owned” newspaper journalists who are knowned bloggers today, complaining about how the newspaper editors write their columns to suite their bosses when in truth, they did the same damned thing when they were in under a different leader.

“Riots” were used by the foreign media trying to amplify their description of this peaceful gathering. I say it was relatively peaceful because I didn’t see any water cannons nor tear gas being applied at the rightful venue where the 40,000 were, which was at the Istana.

I hope you have couriered the letter that you have written to the Honourable Prime Minister while posting it in here. It is only fair that you do. I‘m sure that despite the fact that the event was illegal, high-jacked by a knowned corrupt and abusive former leader of the government, the PM will take into account of the grievances put forth. As it is, the government has agreed to use indelible ink and transparent boxes as demanded by the people. This is evidence that the people’s grievances have not fallen on deaf ears.

In saying that he “pantang di cabar”, it doesn’t mean that he cannot be challenged. It means that he will take on the challenge if it comes his way. As it is every citizen’s right to challenge, it is also his right to defend or even counter-challenge as he is too a citizen of this country like you and I.

I urge those complaining too much about the freedom of speech, press and what not to step back and re-look at the whole picture without blinkers. I’ve watched several live telecasts of a forum which includes the opposition and they get to say more than their piece on national television at prime time. Also, while the live telecast was on, the bottom strip was running with text comments from the viewers and several of them even ran down the PM. So I hope the detractors would use another line to defame the government as this no longer holds water.

Ms. Yahp,I am a normal citizen of Malaysia. I’ve lived in many countries in four continents lasting 17 years. In my experience abroad I have found that there is no such thing as an absolute democratic country like the one you’re wanting. The most popular country that prides itself with democracy even beats people up in front of the United Nations in New York.

This is still the best country to live in, even for members of the opposition who are free to whack the government, yet still live luxurious lives with their families in tact. Take a hard look down south, and be grateful for what God has given us.

Happy Thanksgiving.

I remain,
Da Real Deal Esq.

Dear Ms Yahp,

Why was it necessary for the one thousand odd lawyers joined by others to walk in protest while they could’ve met the Prime Minister to discuss the matter of their grievance through the good office of the Bar Council? Was the Council’s effort to secure a meeting with the PM frustrated which would justify the march?

Care to read:
“Q: Bar Council president Ambiga Sreenevasan said the reason they walked was that they felt all their appeals were falling on deaf ears.

A: It will fall on deafer ears, I can tell you.”
Interview with Nazri Aziz: The video clip, the walk, the panel
http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/NST/Sunday/Frontpage/20071028074831/Article/index_html

On 10th November 2007, 40,000 people perhaps 80% of whom were members of the opposition parties gathered illegally to show the world a dark picture of our beloved country.

Have you really read the reasons for the Bersih march? If you haven’t I would advise you to do more reading before replying take a look at: http://klconfidential.blogspot.com/2007/12/malaysia-where-honour-integrity-and_12.html or is the truth too hard for you to handle? Furthermore just because opposition parties are joining in the marching doesn’t mean that the march is not credible.

I’ve viewed most of the videos on the event in Malaysia Today and not one of them showed any evidence of people being beaten by the authorities. In this day and age where cameras and videos are incorporated into mobile telephones, I doubt if such an opportunity would have been missed by those in attendance.

There were some witnesses that claim to have witnessed the beatings but definitely they were sprayed with chemically laced water cannons and with tear gas but what did they do to deserve that? The only justification you can say is that it is illegal. On the other hand, a while back the UMNO youth was allowed to march and hand over a memorandum to Condoleezza Rice. Did they get a permit? If so why they were not sprayed and tear gassed?

Security forces are usually not deployed to safeguard the safety of those defying the law. They are there to enforce the law. They are not responsible to handle with care children who were “lovingly” brought by their “responsible” parents to an unlawful gathering.

I disagree, just because the police are meant to enforce the law doesn’t mean that can do what they like. There are protocols, standards and proper conduct that they must follow and be held responsible for because they’re dealing with people not animals. So yes they MUST “handle with care”.

It is certainly a journalist’s privilege to witness and report the event in full. Foreign journalists had no problems getting in. Even Harakah journalists did a full coverage on it. If the proper identification tags were displayed, I’m sure they would have been accorded the protocol. Today there are many parties claiming to be members of the media. Even bloggers claim to be such just because they do some pieces of reporting here and there.

Uhh maybe you’re not reading her letter properly but what she is arguing is that the journalists are not allowed to “report the event in full”! Access to the event doesn’t mean that the news gets published! Furthermore even when it got published by foreign media, our Information Minister criticized (unconvincingly) what they reported.

You mention of “ state controlled” media like Malaysia is the only country in the world that has this practice. I urge you to look not to far in our neighbours. Our “state controlled” media at least are allowed to whack government officials and even cabinet ministers. Which other “state controlled” media in which other country will allow this? Perhaps being a non-Malay you may not subscribe to the Harakah Daily which is the opposition controlled newspaper. This newspaper goes to town with just about anything against the government but unlike its counterpart, they don’t highlight the wrongdoings of their leaders. On that score, I’d say the state controlled entity gets my vote.

So are you saying that just because other countries have “state controlled” media it is OK for us to have it too? Furthermore what kind of “whacks” did the government take from the “state controlled” media? Did they report on the BERSIH rally? Did they report why BERSIH was rallying in the first place? If you want to ask me all papers should report what happened and not be dictated by any entity whether it is mainstream papers or Harakah or for that matter any newspapers.

This obedience that you speak of in journalists occur everywhere. State owned ones will take orders from the government leaders while the opposition ones do just the same with their leaders. So why are you complaining as this is not the fault of the bosses? On the contrary, it is the journalists whom we should blame for being normal human beings; loyal to the paymaster as long as they are on the payroll. The classic example is in the former “state owned” newspaper journalists who are knowned bloggers today, complaining about how the newspaper editors write their columns to suite their bosses when in truth, they did the same damned thing when they were in under a different leader.

Then again you’re justifying it that this is OK because it “occur everywhere”, it is NOT OK, instead we Malaysians should strive to be better then the rest.

“Riots” were used by the foreign media trying to amplify their description of this peaceful gathering. I say it was relatively peaceful because I didn’t see any water cannons nor tear gas being applied at the rightful venue where the 40,000 were, which was at the Istana.

Ehh doesn’t make sense Ms Yahp is saying that it is a peaceful march: “I can see how successful your media machinery is, Prime Minister, from what they say. They use the word “riots” to talk about the march, which even a police spokesman described as, for the most part, peaceful (RTM2 news, 10 November 2007).” (Yahp) She was referring to the PM’s media machinery that used the word “riots”! So your point?

I hope you have couriered the letter that you have written to the Honourable Prime Minister while posting it in here. It is only fair that you do. I‘m sure that despite the fact that the event was illegal, high-jacked by a knowned corrupt and abusive former leader of the government, the PM will take into account of the grievances put forth. As it is, the government has agreed to use indelible ink and transparent boxes as demanded by the people. This is evidence that the people’s grievances have not fallen on deaf ears.

Ehh again please read the point and purpose for the march.

In saying that he “pantang di cabar”, it doesn’t mean that he cannot be challenged. It means that he will take on the challenge if it comes his way. As it is every citizen’s right to challenge, it is also his right to defend or even counter-challenge as he is too a citizen of this country like you and I.

If I remember my BM right “pantang” means taboo? Means it is taboo to challenge him? How do you interpret that as he will take up the challenge? Maybe sedia dicabar would be more appropriate?

I urge those complaining too much about the freedom of speech, press and what not to step back and re-look at the whole picture without blinkers. I’ve watched several live telecasts of a forum which includes the opposition and they get to say more than their piece on national television at prime time. Also, while the live telecast was on, the bottom strip was running with text comments from the viewers and several of them even ran down the PM. So I hope the detractors would use another line to defame the government as this no longer holds water.

Hah that is interesting, I have not seen them on primetime. What forums are these? Care to share? Channel? Time?

Ms. Yahp,I am a normal citizen of Malaysia. I’ve lived in many countries in four continents lasting 17 years. In my experience abroad I have found that there is no such thing as an absolute democratic country like the one you’re wanting. The most popular country that prides itself with democracy even beats people up in front of the United Nations in New York.

She wasn’t advocating for absolute democracy, she was advocating allowing journalist to do their jobs and report what they see. She is also saying that the government is only allowing the message they like to be published and not any other opposing viewpoints. She also further says that this is important because it is PART of being democratic (“When this integral pillar of any democratic system is obstructed, and belittled, as it is in Malaysia, we cannot claim to live in a democracy”). Again please read properly.

This is still the best country to live in, even for members of the opposition who are free to whack the government, yet still live luxurious lives with their families in tact. Take a hard look down south, and be grateful for what God has given us.

Therefore it is OK because other people are worse than us, ahh I see the point! Maybe it is time you get introduced to the idea of two wrongs do not make a right =)

Happy Thanksgiving.

I remain,
Da Real Deal Esq.
Dear Ms Yahp,

Why was it necessary for the one thousand odd lawyers joined by others to walk in protest while they could’ve met the Prime Minister to discuss the matter of their grievance through the good office of the Bar Council? Was the Council’s effort to secure a meeting with the PM frustrated which would justify the march?
Care to read:
“Q: Bar Council president Ambiga Sreenevasan said the reason they walked was that they felt all their appeals were falling on deaf ears.

A: It will fall on deafer ears, I can tell you.”
Interview with Nazri Aziz: The video clip, the walk, the panel
http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/NST/Sunday/Frontpage/20071028074831/Article/index_html

On 10th November 2007, 40,000 people perhaps 80% of whom were members of the opposition parties gathered illegally to show the world a dark picture of our beloved country.

Have you really read the reasons for the Bersih march? If you haven’t I would advise you to do more reading before replying take a look at: http://klconfidential.blogspot.com/2007/12/malaysia-where-honour-integrity-and_12.html or is the truth too hard for you to handle? Furthermore just because opposition parties are joining in the marching doesn’t mean that the march is not credible.

I’ve viewed most of the videos on the event in Malaysia Today and not one of them showed any evidence of people being beaten by the authorities. In this day and age where cameras and videos are incorporated into mobile telephones, I doubt if such an opportunity would have been missed by those in attendance.

There were some witnesses that claim to have witnessed the beatings but definitely they were sprayed with chemically laced water cannons and with tear gas but what did they do to deserve that? The only justification you can say is that it is illegal. On the other hand, a while back the UMNO youth was allowed to march and hand over a memorandum to Condoleezza Rice. Did they get a permit? If so why they were not sprayed and tear gassed?

Security forces are usually not deployed to safeguard the safety of those defying the law. They are there to enforce the law. They are not responsible to handle with care children who were “lovingly” brought by their “responsible” parents to an unlawful gathering.

I disagree, just because the police are meant to enforce the law doesn’t mean that can do what they like. There are protocols, standards and proper conduct that they must follow and be held responsible for because they’re dealing with people not animals. So yes they MUST “handle with care”.

It is certainly a journalist’s privilege to witness and report the event in full. Foreign journalists had no problems getting in. Even Harakah journalists did a full coverage on it. If the proper identification tags were displayed, I’m sure they would have been accorded the protocol. Today there are many parties claiming to be members of the media. Even bloggers claim to be such just because they do some pieces of reporting here and there.

Uhh maybe you’re not reading her letter properly but what she is arguing is that the journalists are not allowed to “report the event in full”! Access to the event doesn’t mean that the news gets published! Furthermore even when it got published by foreign media, our Information Minister criticized (unconvincingly) what they reported.

You mention of “ state controlled” media like Malaysia is the only country in the world that has this practice. I urge you to look not to far in our neighbours. Our “state controlled” media at least are allowed to whack government officials and even cabinet ministers. Which other “state controlled” media in which other country will allow this? Perhaps being a non-Malay you may not subscribe to the Harakah Daily which is the opposition controlled newspaper. This newspaper goes to town with just about anything against the government but unlike its counterpart, they don’t highlight the wrongdoings of their leaders. On that score, I’d say the state controlled entity gets my vote.

So are you saying that just because other countries have “state controlled” media it is OK for us to have it too? Furthermore what kind of “whacks” did the government take from the “state controlled” media? Did they report on the BERSIH rally? Did they report why BERSIH was rallying in the first place? If you want to ask me all papers should report what happened and not be dictated by any entity whether it is mainstream papers or Harakah or for that matter any newspapers.

This obedience that you speak of in journalists occur everywhere. State owned ones will take orders from the government leaders while the opposition ones do just the same with their leaders. So why are you complaining as this is not the fault of the bosses? On the contrary, it is the journalists whom we should blame for being normal human beings; loyal to the paymaster as long as they are on the payroll. The classic example is in the former “state owned” newspaper journalists who are knowned bloggers today, complaining about how the newspaper editors write their columns to suite their bosses when in truth, they did the same damned thing when they were in under a different leader.

Then again you’re justifying it that this is OK because it “occur everywhere”, it is NOT OK, instead we Malaysians should strive to be better then the rest.

“Riots” were used by the foreign media trying to amplify their description of this peaceful gathering. I say it was relatively peaceful because I didn’t see any water cannons nor tear gas being applied at the rightful venue where the 40,000 were, which was at the Istana.

Ehh doesn’t make sense Ms Yahp is saying that it is a peaceful march: “I can see how successful your media machinery is, Prime Minister, from what they say. They use the word “riots” to talk about the march, which even a police spokesman described as, for the most part, peaceful (RTM2 news, 10 November 2007).” (Yahp) She was referring to the PM’s media machinery that used the word “riots”! So your point?

I hope you have couriered the letter that you have written to the Honourable Prime Minister while posting it in here. It is only fair that you do. I‘m sure that despite the fact that the event was illegal, high-jacked by a knowned corrupt and abusive former leader of the government, the PM will take into account of the grievances put forth. As it is, the government has agreed to use indelible ink and transparent boxes as demanded by the people. This is evidence that the people’s grievances have not fallen on deaf ears.

Ehh again please read the point and purpose for the march.

In saying that he “pantang di cabar”, it doesn’t mean that he cannot be challenged. It means that he will take on the challenge if it comes his way. As it is every citizen’s right to challenge, it is also his right to defend or even counter-challenge as he is too a citizen of this country like you and I.

If I remember my BM right “pantang” means taboo? Means it is taboo to challenge him? How do you interpret that as he will take up the challenge? Maybe sedia dicabar would be more appropriate?

I urge those complaining too much about the freedom of speech, press and what not to step back and re-look at the whole picture without blinkers. I’ve watched several live telecasts of a forum which includes the opposition and they get to say more than their piece on national television at prime time. Also, while the live telecast was on, the bottom strip was running with text comments from the viewers and several of them even ran down the PM. So I hope the detractors would use another line to defame the government as this no longer holds water.

Hah that is interesting, I have not seen them on primetime. What forums are these? Care to share? Channel? Time?

Ms. Yahp,I am a normal citizen of Malaysia. I’ve lived in many countries in four continents lasting 17 years. In my experience abroad I have found that there is no such thing as an absolute democratic country like the one you’re wanting. The most popular country that prides itself with democracy even beats people up in front of the United Nations in New York.

She wasn’t advocating for absolute democracy, she was advocating allowing journalist to do their jobs and report what they see. She is also saying that the government is only allowing the message they like to be published and not any other opposing viewpoints. She also further says that this is important because it is PART of being democratic (“When this integral pillar of any democratic system is obstructed, and belittled, as it is in Malaysia, we cannot claim to live in a democracy”). Again please read properly.

This is still the best country to live in, even for members of the opposition who are free to whack the government, yet still live luxurious lives with their families in tact. Take a hard look down south, and be grateful for what God has given us.

Therefore it is OK because other people are worse than us, ahh I see the point! Maybe it is time you get introduced to the idea of two wrongs do not make a right =)

Happy Thanksgiving.

I remain,
Da Real Deal Esq.

Care to read:
“Q: Bar Council president Ambiga Sreenevasan said the reason they walked was that they felt all their appeals were falling on deaf ears.

A: It will fall on deafer ears, I can tell you.”
Interview with Nazri Aziz: The video clip, the walk, the panel
http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/NST/Sunday/Frontpage/20071028074831/Article/index_html

On 10th November 2007, 40,000 people perhaps 80% of whom were members of the opposition parties gathered illegally to show the world a dark picture of our beloved country.

Have you really read the reasons for the Bersih march? If you haven’t I would advise you to do more reading before replying take a look at: http://klconfidential.blogspot.com/2007/12/malaysia-where-honour-integrity-and_12.html or is the truth too hard for you to handle? Furthermore just because opposition parties are joining in the marching doesn’t mean that the march is not credible.

I’ve viewed most of the videos on the event in Malaysia Today and not one of them showed any evidence of people being beaten by the authorities. In this day and age where cameras and videos are incorporated into mobile telephones, I doubt if such an opportunity would have been missed by those in attendance.

There were some witnesses that claim to have witnessed the beatings but definitely they were sprayed with chemically laced water cannons and with tear gas but what did they do to deserve that? The only justification you can say is that it is illegal. On the other hand, a while back the UMNO youth was allowed to march and hand over a memorandum to Condoleezza Rice. Did they get a permit? If so why they were not sprayed and tear gassed?

Security forces are usually not deployed to safeguard the safety of those defying the law. They are there to enforce the law. They are not responsible to handle with care children who were “lovingly” brought by their “responsible” parents to an unlawful gathering.

I disagree, just because the police are meant to enforce the law doesn’t mean that can do what they like. There are protocols, standards and proper conduct that they must follow and be held responsible for because they’re dealing with people not animals. So yes they MUST “handle with care”.

It is certainly a journalist’s privilege to witness and report the event in full. Foreign journalists had no problems getting in. Even Harakah journalists did a full coverage on it. If the proper identification tags were displayed, I’m sure they would have been accorded the protocol. Today there are many parties claiming to be members of the media. Even bloggers claim to be such just because they do some pieces of reporting here and there.

Uhh maybe you’re not reading her letter properly but what she is arguing is that the journalists are not allowed to “report the event in full”! Access to the event doesn’t mean that the news gets published! Furthermore even when it got published by foreign media, our Information Minister criticized (unconvincingly) what they reported.

You mention of “ state controlled” media like Malaysia is the only country in the world that has this practice. I urge you to look not to far in our neighbours. Our “state controlled” media at least are allowed to whack government officials and even cabinet ministers. Which other “state controlled” media in which other country will allow this? Perhaps being a non-Malay you may not subscribe to the Harakah Daily which is the opposition controlled newspaper. This newspaper goes to town with just about anything against the government but unlike its counterpart, they don’t highlight the wrongdoings of their leaders. On that score, I’d say the state controlled entity gets my vote.

So are you saying that just because other countries have “state controlled” media it is OK for us to have it too? Furthermore what kind of “whacks” did the government take from the “state controlled” media? Did they report on the BERSIH rally? Did they report why BERSIH was rallying in the first place? If you want to ask me all papers should report what happened and not be dictated by any entity whether it is mainstream papers or Harakah or for that matter any newspapers.

This obedience that you speak of in journalists occur everywhere. State owned ones will take orders from the government leaders while the opposition ones do just the same with their leaders. So why are you complaining as this is not the fault of the bosses? On the contrary, it is the journalists whom we should blame for being normal human beings; loyal to the paymaster as long as they are on the payroll. The classic example is in the former “state owned” newspaper journalists who are knowned bloggers today, complaining about how the newspaper editors write their columns to suite their bosses when in truth, they did the same damned thing when they were in under a different leader.

Then again you’re justifying it that this is OK because it “occur everywhere”, it is NOT OK, instead we Malaysians should strive to be better then the rest.

“Riots” were used by the foreign media trying to amplify their description of this peaceful gathering. I say it was relatively peaceful because I didn’t see any water cannons nor tear gas being applied at the rightful venue where the 40,000 were, which was at the Istana.

Ehh doesn’t make sense Ms Yahp is saying that it is a peaceful march: “I can see how successful your media machinery is, Prime Minister, from what they say. They use the word “riots” to talk about the march, which even a police spokesman described as, for the most part, peaceful (RTM2 news, 10 November 2007).” (Yahp) She was referring to the PM’s media machinery that used the word “riots”! So your point?

I hope you have couriered the letter that you have written to the Honourable Prime Minister while posting it in here. It is only fair that you do. I‘m sure that despite the fact that the event was illegal, high-jacked by a knowned corrupt and abusive former leader of the government, the PM will take into account of the grievances put forth. As it is, the government has agreed to use indelible ink and transparent boxes as demanded by the people. This is evidence that the people’s grievances have not fallen on deaf ears.

Ehh again please read the point and purpose for the march.

In saying that he “pantang di cabar”, it doesn’t mean that he cannot be challenged. It means that he will take on the challenge if it comes his way. As it is every citizen’s right to challenge, it is also his right to defend or even counter-challenge as he is too a citizen of this country like you and I.

If I remember my BM right “pantang” means taboo? Means it is taboo to challenge him? How do you interpret that as he will take up the challenge? Maybe sedia dicabar would be more appropriate?

I urge those complaining too much about the freedom of speech, press and what not to step back and re-look at the whole picture without blinkers. I’ve watched several live telecasts of a forum which includes the opposition and they get to say more than their piece on national television at prime time. Also, while the live telecast was on, the bottom strip was running with text comments from the viewers and several of them even ran down the PM. So I hope the detractors would use another line to defame the government as this no longer holds water.

Hah that is interesting, I have not seen them on primetime. What forums are these? Care to share? Channel? Time?

Ms. Yahp,I am a normal citizen of Malaysia. I’ve lived in many countries in four continents lasting 17 years. In my experience abroad I have found that there is no such thing as an absolute democratic country like the one you’re wanting. The most popular country that prides itself with democracy even beats people up in front of the United Nations in New York.

She wasn’t advocating for absolute democracy, she was advocating allowing journalist to do their jobs and report what they see. She is also saying that the government is only allowing the message they like to be published and not any other opposing viewpoints. She also further says that this is important because it is PART of being democratic (“When this integral pillar of any democratic system is obstructed, and belittled, as it is in Malaysia, we cannot claim to live in a democracy”). Again please read properly.

This is still the best country to live in, even for members of the opposition who are free to whack the government, yet still live luxurious lives with their families in tact. Take a hard look down south, and be grateful for what God has given us.

Therefore it is OK because other people are worse than us, ahh I see the point! Maybe it is time you get introduced to the idea of two wrongs do not make a right =)

Happy Thanksgiving.

I remain,
Da Real Deal Esq.