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first we have an ignorant DPM now we have a senior officer from The Internal Security Ministry who thinks he owned Malaysia Inc. and that he has every god given rights to tell the Malaysian Rakyat to shut up and listen to the government twisted facts.

tensions? indeed there are tensions - even high blood pressure - becos we have jokers who distort history and courtiers abuse their authority.

I am a Muslim, and I consider myself quite fanatical about my religion, and I have this question to ask any Islamic scholars, contemporary Islamic scholars of course:

Is Islamic State really needed?

Do we *have* to form an Islamic state? Do Muslims who live in a non-Islamic states, or, in Western countries, or China, or Japan, or any non-Muslim dominated countries in the world for that matter, live in sin? Are they less Islamic than those who chose to live in an Islamic state, like Iran, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia?

Do Muslims have a choice as to where they can live? Seriously, is that choice (to live where you want), really a choice?

Now, if those Muslims who live in America, for example, are exempted to form an Islamic state, by virtue of *where* they live, does Muslims in Malaysia, or Indonesia, *have* to form an Islamic state?

The argument follows, or doesn't follow, in any case. What follows is that, from this simple logic, that an Islamic State is not required, nor needed. It is just a political entity that can vanish and appear, as humans can be born and can perish.

Again, I ask, do we need an Islamic State?

America has all the ingredients of an Islamic State. Individual rights, efficiency, efficacy, effectiveness.

that was what i thought too... only 2 men in the country allow to talk about it? what kind of country is that??

anyway if these 2 men do talk about it, surely they expect some response. or if they can talk about it, why can't people respond to it? if people are not allowed to respond to it, then might as well gag these 2 VVIP too!!

that's our bolehland for you - something that they can't deal with (or something that they are in denial), ban, ban, gag, gag, arrest, arrest. *sigh*

How does this latest double whammy from Najib and the Internal Security Ministry make Malaysia look in the eyes of the world?

If you were an investor pondering on whether to pump say, US100 million into some project here, was that a positive development?

And on the local front, how has the incident impacted on BN's image? And on Najib as the No 2 leader of the nation, a heart-beat away from the No 1 seat?

If you has a choice of Najib, Anwar Ibrahim, Khairy Jamaluddin, Tengku Razaleigh and Rafidah to be the next PM, who would you choose?

Me - any of the other 4; not Najib.

To begin with everytime a politician says these kinds of things, he must be on a steep slope sliding downwards and needs to apply a quick brake!! So making such a statement helps, or so he thinks. Of course he makes some Ulamak happy and many fundamentalists even more happy. But when Najib says it surely you would have to wonder if he had had a proper mouth wash first as surely he got very little credentials trying to wear this on his lapels. He should have left it to someone else.

This is indeed funny to watch. 'Out of the fire and into the frying pan'. Well looks like the ISM has made another blunder to cover another blunder.

And this further proves how government controlled our Mainstream Media spectrum is. The truth will never be out there, so to speak.

BTW, now may be a good time to draw attention to Haris Ibrahim's "Vote for Change" posting, available here:
http://harismibrahim.wordpress.com/2007/07/11/vote-for-change/

Part of what he wrote -

I was at a discussion yesterday afternoon.

Where, with whom, and what about, I am not at liberty
to say.

It was a discussion which proceeded on the basis of
confidentiality. I shall honour this.

Let me share with you, though, the sense I had when I
left the discussion.

Listening to the views of some of those present and
looking at all that has been happening around left me
with a sense that those who are pushing their
'Islam-as I say-tion' agenda are going into overdrive mode.

What does this mean for you and I and every Malaysian
who cherishes the right to choose how we live?

I wonder who were the people he met with. Ominous.

the last time when the ex-pm declare islamic state, only opposition hoohaa on this. dap had even reminded 929 for so long but no many empathy. now when it is the dpm, everybody are so offended about it than 929.

Get real, malaysia is an islamic state, dpm was just reminding the fact. what is an islamic state different with that islam is official religion, practising different law, and condemning apostate, even demolishing and limiting other religion worship place.

Why is it that people like Najib, Baharudin, Harusani can talk all they want and not be accused of creating tension?

Why is it that all other people are muzzled?

Why? Why? Why?

*damn frustrated with what is happening to our country*

what is the advantages of forming an islamic state? [ DELETED ] Look at those islamic states like Iran, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan and etc, are they really better than Malaysia?

The Qur'anic concept of a just and benevolent society was an ideal concept which could not be realised in practice except for a brief attempt which lasted for a few years. Muslim countries claiming to be Islamic states are far from these ideals. The greatest ideal projected by the Qur'an is justice -- both in personal conduct and in distribution of wealth. It is conspicuous by its absence in the Muslim countries.

Hope any Islamic scholar reader can help to clarify this: In a truly Islamic state, can we have legalised gambling??