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nampak syiok... but what's wrong with kissing? it's just an expression of love, isn't it?

but the second video..a bit too much la...

Who ever made these videos and whatever the reason, because it was made without the consent and knowledge of the participants makes the video maker a voyeur.

Some might argue that only sex videoed in this maneer would make a voyeur like the law being introduced in New Zealand "Law to stop voyeurs filming people" (NZHerald 25/11/2006) where it seems to suggest only where sex is involved then it might be a crime. However, within the Malaysian context, where our morals are supposed to be unblemished, never mind that we have more prostitute dens serving Kuala Lumpur than the whole of New Zealand, then even the stealthy way a woman's legs are videoed would be voyeurism.

Does one qualify to be a JAIS khalwat enforcement officer by first being a voyeur?

Legalised voyeurism? Malaysia's Special Agents - License to peep

JAIS should encyrypt all the videos with passwords or codes...so that videos like these don't leak out.

I bet JAIS got the biggest (and real) hidden camera videos in the world.

WTF, whether this video is stage by mykaki or real, JAIS must come forward to clarify the mess.

Wait, seems unecessary, since this country practice "semuanya ok".

Damn, next time I travel oversea, I must disguise as Singaporean.

You know, when the Lina Joy case became public, I started questioning just how exactly does the information get spilled over, causing public reaction.

In this case, these videos are evidence, therefore they are supposed to be confidential.

I am outraged by the videos being made public, and I think those involved have the right to sue JAIS for breach of privacy.

But then, we must consider something. Who is leaking this out from JAIS' evidence locker?

We should congratulate JAIS for their superb, intelligent way to prove what the seniour American couple claimed last few month about JAIS. Now, all that American couple has to do is to share this video link with others to prove their claim. Great job JAIS! And one more thing...what is that stupid question of 'Suami Isteri?' while recording a couple. What if their legitimate suami isteri? Would you delete the video content? What guarantee do you have? Guess main criteria to joing JAIS is to be a 'world class' peeper! Sick!!!!

screenshots has turned into smut!

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The people depicted in the videos should sue the agency that took and kept their videos.

Someone is guilty of gross negligence and they have a strong chance of getting very substantial damages because these young people have just about had their futures destroyed.

Imagine if one of the girls had not told her family. She might be undergoing a thrashing as you read this.

I say sue and sue hard!

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Evidence can be use for good and bad depending on which side of fence you are at. Persons in authority should have the integrity to handle such evidence in their possession but, do they? First the police now another possible same senario. My trusts is shaken by this events. Although morally wrong for the victims to have acted that way, my sympathies to them.(Victims)

This country has no proper policies on privacy; neither on measures to check invasion of privacy.

Barely has the dust settled on the ear-squat pictures, the cityhall-vs-young couple fiasco and the raid on the two elderly americans, we have this.

Add how strangers from marketing firms can call you to ask for a relative's handphone, or how credit-card and other details can be siphoned off from processing companies that were not mentioned in your contract with the card companies and we get a new space that yells for something to be done. Which remains undone by a gomen whose antennas seem to only point to its own anatomy.

The culprits who posted the pictures of these young couples on youtube should be tracked down, hauled up and exposed on the same channel. Their right to check ends where the right of the couple to safeguard their identity begins.

Apart from privacy issues, there is another policy lacuna. What national vision do we have for our youths, especially those in the pressure-cooker urban areas, that recognises their inviolable rights as equal human beings to be accorded as much respect as those who think they have been appointed moral guardians of society?

If in this case you describe their proclivities as 'feisty', then one would say that Najib's description of the recent Umno GA's tirades as 'feisty' underpin something more dangerous to the moral worth of our society than two young people being intimate with each other because they think they are safe from the prying cameras of busybodies.

A jam-packed standing-room- only MRT train on rush hour has more occurrences of close proximities than two in the bush.

So long as they know what they're into, and how to take care of themselves, what's the fuss, as one minister has said...presumably on something else.

Human BEINGs are HUMAN beings. You can't drain them off hormones, and display of feelings or urges that create bonds can't be standardized to some manual.

'The book of life is brief, and when the page's read, all but love is dead.' (so sang David Gates)

Bonding is so important to the young. Without interpersonal love manifested in all natural forms, how can they progress more naturally to higher and deeper feelings?

Respect, care, protection, nurture guidance-when-asked, and living, growing space - these they need. Not to degrade or humiliate them until they grow older to be zombies.

Priorities over deployment of resources. If they have so much time to go around and chase after what they deem to themselves to be 'hanky-pankies', why not patrol potential areas for snatch thieves, rapists and grenade throwers?

Save a life and redeem the nadir of our social destruction.

Jeff, ur taking a big risk by exposing these videos. Remember what Teresa Kok almost went through with Squatergate? You should write a disclamer for contents like these....

I really doubt people these days know what does P & C mean....just a few weeks back,a link to a conversation supposingly between one Mr Chua and the Streamyx Customer Service was shown in lowyat forum. later someone even put up his full name, streamyx account number and the amount owing to streamyx. it's like there's no more privacy left. it's really frightening these days....we just can't trust this word "privacy".

civil and syariah courts works on different principles.Civil condone voyeurism while syariah actively seeks voyeurs to work for them. But if you are being watched in a public place, then it is not veyeurism, civil or syariah. So if you dress sexily and people stare or peep, it is not voyeurism. But if you are being watched in a private place, then your privacy has been intruded.

///Although morally wrong for the victims to have acted that way... ///

Ghim - morally wrong??? Kissing when two people are in love is morally wrong??? Which cave or which monastery have you been living in???

Ghim Rip Van Winkel - wake up please, this is the 21st century.

as much as the internet [here] does not 'operate in a legal vacuum', it seems, sadly, that a person's affections [or lust] for another also does not operate in such a place. as much as these unfortunate and unsuspecting couples have been caught, somewhat red-handed, the digital-new-world-order [and it's voyeurs - read: us] has seen fit for it to be displayed, and ridiculed. those people could be you. the only difference is they can't afford a hotel room, or some similar facility.

Shame, Shame on the person who took these videos. What perverts!

Apparently showing one's love for another by courting is a moral crime. Hooray for the Puritan-like police, who have nothing better to do.

TheWrathOfGrapes,

Damn you! We are talking about a moral crisis about young malays. With this sort of generation, this country will soon be administered by jungle rules. Even modern ape species wouldn't do that shameful acts. Those who are thinking nothing wrong about it are rightfully to be sent to national zoo for good.

Although religiously wrong to show excessive "affection", I do not agree with the way it has been videotaped and put on internet for the world to see! This is rampant among teens aand adults. But there is a place and time for these activities. It is more seen among young Malays coz they have no place to go to(caught for khalwat otherwise!). Others do this in the privacy of their own homes.

Jais people forgot they were young once and had gone through this lustful times. They have this 'holier than thou attitude'!

There are many important things to do instead of taking pics of this innocent kids who could be my kids and putting them on the internet! JAIS should be stoned!

huh...we're gonna send these young malays to a remote island somewhere in the mid of South China Sea and they could do whateva they wish. There lotz of things to explore even swing their partner if they wish to.

Undertaker - please don't let your moral self-righteousness cloud your thinking. If you come off your high horse, you may begin to understand human feelings better. For your info, I don't share your religious bigotry.

If there is any moral crisis in this sordid episod, it is those who perverted voyeurs.

undertaker - you should stick to your business of taking care of corpses instead of minding other people's business.

Not to go off subject but:

Can’t hold hands, told not to kiss, told it is ill-moral, told what to think and how to act, told you cannot have affection, cannot criticize the government, not allowed to have large gatherings on the street in public, no right to a real free press, no right to openly discuss or debate other religions, etc hmmm sounds more like a communistic country than a real democracy

TheWrathOfGrapes,

Ok...i'll mind my own bisnez now...i'll be waiting for your funeral day soon.

WOW, you know I would much rather have my children watch movies or tv shows with people holding hands and kissing then killing each other. We speak about how wrong it is for people to love each other before they are married or to just be sitting close together, yet we do not think it is ill-moral or even against society when there are Mat Rempits running around, when there are ministers (who are suppose to be high moral, living by the law) who break rules and laws everyday and only get a talking to or a fine (when in the ill-moral countries they would be arrested or fired). We do not get up and arms over a government that plays racial cards when it suits it but we get all upset over teenagers holding hands or just kissing. Well, I for one would glady welcome any group to show their love and affection towards another person either in private or public with in reason then see people being rude, watching WWF on television, etc. Studies have shown time and time again that countries where laws are laxed towards people showing affection have lower incidents of crime involving rape. But then again in this country, there are still many people who actually beleive women are partly to blame for rape becuase of the way they are dressed, even though in other countries you can women walking down the street with barley much clothing on and the men there are able to contro.l themselves. I guess when you have very strict laws on morality and not allow people to conduct normal affections or emotions you create higher instances of rape etc, of can then blame it on women for the way they dress. We are still living in the dark ages here it seems, or as I said above more like a communistic country.

well said, rmo.

undertaker,

Wake up and smell the freshly placed flowers.

The Malay culture is in no danger because what you see in those videos is not based on our culture. They are Malay, they dress like Malays but they are not practitioners of our own culture.

I think what you said is a defamatory remark on those who actually practice the Malay culture of restraint and unheeding temptations, which my parents, and millions of other parents have cultivated in their kids.

What you see in those videos are people who have sacrificed their culture.

They are not Malay in culture, but only Malay in "bangsa".

Honestly, what is really wrong of couples kissing and even having sex for that matter? Is it really morally wrong to do so? Are we all not humans?

It is not as if they were having gang bang, smoking marijuana etc. The society has to accept the fact that kissing and even sex is normal and acceptable.

It is really sickening to find moral police adopting a holier than thou attitude towards this. To undertaker, what makes you think a society with moral police would be any better or able to solve moral woes?

Even in the strictest and most conservative Islamic society like Saudi Arabia, vices and sex related crimes are very much prevalent like everywhere else. As a matter of fact, Filipino maids were banned the working in the Middle East by the Philipines Govt. as cases of rapes and sexual abuses of their maids were far too common. Adopting strictest Islamic/Syariah rules like the Hukum Hudud in stoning adulterers and cutting off limbs of criminals have not reduced any crime rates.

Furthermore, cases of incest and also rapes are higher in conservative Islamic States like Kelantan and Teregganu. It appears that the more you repressed the inner desire of a human being, the worse it becomes and channelled towards other sex related crimes. It is about time that the Govt should come hard on these overzealous religious officials and not supporting them instead. Downloading intimate clips from JAIS website? This is
really sickening!

I felt really sorry for the couples that were caught in the act. My heartfelt sympathy goes out to them. They were being perceived as perpetrators and evil doers. To Undertaker, I dare you to cast the first stone if you have never sinned in your life before.

On the brighter side, Malaysians don’t have to subscribe to porn sites to download hot clips like these!

Thank you JAIS!

To all those "moral" police out there, i've only these to say: "Why don't you all mind your own bloody business! It seems like you all have nothing better to do than to be bloody peeping-Toms. If you think you have such high value of morals, why don't you do something to change these people by teaching them your superior morality, rather than going around and video-taping other people like a pervert?"
To others in support of JAIS action to be self-appointed moral police, I have these to say, "If you think you are more righteous than others, think again. If you think that you have no sin, I really urge you to examine your life again, because you never know. You may turn out to be the worst sinners of them all! To God, man's righteousness is only as good as filty rags. So, how dare you judge others?!"

To: TheWrathOfGrapes

The context which I meant "morally wrong" is when the couples do it in public places and the unfortunate thing was, the event was recorded, using whichever means available, by equally wronged moral squad. I am against the setting up of moral squad.

Until now, it is an offence in the eyes of the law in Malaysia. So, if your are able to change the law and the society views on such behaviour(in publid places) in this part of the world.(Eastern values) or specifically in Malaysia, I shall salute you.

The wave of change is growing in momentum, one must know how to pick up the whatever good from the bad, the right from wrong doing.

Anyway, the topic of this blog is targeted toward the authority who failed to safeguard the evidence in their custody. I sincerely hope the investigation will show who is the culprit.

Real life happenings in Malaysia shows that the authority practice double standards.

If the female and male are caught hugging in public, it is an offence under the Islamic laws, however, there is a catch. The couple has to be NOBODY.

If one of them or both is SOMEBODY (like trade minister or something), then it is not an offence.

Ghim, sorry to disagree with you again. You said "morally wrong" and went on to talk about the law in Malaysia. Which is which - is it morally wrong or legally wrong (illegal)? If it is the latter, I have no arguments, except to say that the law sucks big time.

The problem with "morals" is - whose morals? Who sets those moral standards? Who uphold those morals? And who police the moral police?

Kissing my wife or girlfriend, even in public, is not immoral or amoral in my book. Let alone just holding hands.

Assuming you are not a Muslim, would you want the Muslims to impose their morals on you? If you are a Chinese female, would you want to be forced to wear the tudung or burka as it is morally wrong to show your aurat.

If you are not a Catholic, would you want the Pope to tell you not to use contraception? You know, it is morally wrong to have sex other than for procreation purpose.

is morality relative then? or is there a certain universal set of laws governing good behaviour, morals etc which are inherent in society?

notheless, i think the so called of enforcement of morality by humans is unneeded and uncalled for because its very subjective and very....how to put it, no one is er, holy.