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since when malaysia dont export oxygen to indonesia?

We are having hugh oxygen trade deficit and overly haze surplus in our dealing with the indonesian?

Is that correct balancing?

prosper-thy-neighbour ... here's to hoping that policy for all our neighbours so that they can afford to takle environmental issues.

in the mean time if one can zero down to a 100 meter accuracy with satellite imagery, how is it we have not identified malaysian plantation companies who are practicing slash and burn in indonesia.

i am sure if we can send a malaysian into space we also have the means to trace the ownership of these hotspot plantations.

maybe we can get these companies, if there are any, to pay for the spike in lung cancer that will probably only surface statisticaly 20 years later.

even without high tech, it probably takes only a short helicopter ride to these hotspots to verify who these companies are and penalise them ...

blah, blah, blah ... talk is cheap

SO is Najib going to tell the Jakarta Post editors to stop criticising those causing the haze?

Is the MALAYSIAN DPM going to tell those editors that they should sympathise with the people causing so many MALAYSIANS so much misery, threatening their health and lowering their spirits so drastically?

This is what we get when we dont have a strong leader.

I wonder is this haze or the LKY remarks more harmful. Let see is there someone who has balls to make some noise about such kind of remarks.

"Oh,you are not cooperative and you only think for yourselves".
None of a politikus from UMNO dare to say all these craps to their brothers from seberang.
They might have been told by Mahathir "Ours is tiny country versus Indon.So,don't talk big".

Folks

Abang telling Adik to shut up. When Adik says that the territory claimed by Abang belongs to Adik, Abang sent gunships and helicopters to the contested islands.

Now, Abang is squeezing adik's ears for complaining about the haze.

That is not the issue. The issue for Malaysians is where is that arrogant, big-mouthing son-in-law with the Oxford degree who had a media display of protest a few months, with this haze that is choking EVERY MALAYSIAN, including our kampung folks, not just the non-Malays in the Klang Valley.

Where is our national headkicker Umno Youth with the keris wielding Chief,when the health of the nation's citizens are being compromised by the Abang next door.

Bunch of idiotic hypocrites of the first degree. When the chips are down with the country at its knees, caused by the Indonesian neighbours, they run and hide in the closet and sharping their kerises in the dark.

Would this mudzakir guy or the indo forestry minister be saying a prayer during ramadan in memory of the malaysian fireman who died in '97 after trying to help fight their fire then?

and the EPU can start updating the data in:

http://tinyurl.com/ppq8b

sometimes one wonders if the orifices have been switched.

This mudf**ker secretary of politics must be from Oxford. Totally selfish and inconsiderate. The ASEAN countries should put some economic sanctions on them. We are all being poisoned slowly and they don't give a damn. Thank God that not all Indonesians are like this mudf**ker.

His reply is really childish and brainless... "exporting oxygen". can we use that in our GDP?
Almost the same like Najib's i.e. asking more money to be injected into the haze fund to combat the fire. I repeat FIRE!!! not combating the culprits but FIRE!!! brainless or what?!

Last year I did suggest this: If the authorities won't do anything, we the common man in the street can do something by hurting the Indonesian economy.

It is time to consciously boycott Indonesian goods and services. Even a small dent can let a lot of water out.

Sadly, Malaysians are never much good at collective endeavours, are we?

I just want to raise my concern here.

The haze is getting really bad these days. Cough cough cough***

Anyway... the Indonesian diplomat is very kiddish. The way he answer the question rather than finding a solution to it is very immature.

Which University he comes from? Are you sure he went for higher learning ??

I am starting to doubt his capability

www.malaysiandiary,com

If UMNO Youth is organising a demo outside the Indon Embassy, I want to take part.

I wonder how is the Embassador of Malaysia in Indonesia is doing? It'll be interesting to know how will he response to this matter. Maybe he'll receive a bill soon for breathing the oxygen tagged 'Made in Indonesia'.

Folks

Money to be made.

Bottle up oxygen, and label, "Buatan Indonesia" and ask our famous Son in Law to market it in Malaysia through is network of cheap-buy corporations, compliments of the father in law and the UMNO cronies

hehe, i already like him just for this quote alone :).

“If you can guarantee the wind will not blow (in this direction), then I can guarantee it (haze) will not happen again.” [...]

we always think haze is tak apa...just stay at home, even staying at home with air conditioning, that's what my mum say..but she didn't realize that we are also breathing dangerous plus polluted air, slowly deteriorating our lungs (more like silent killer is suppose)....if malaysians dun act more agressive, our future generations is going to continue to suffer...for sure, if we don't voice out strongly, indonesian authorities is going to sit there and goyang kaki only for another 50 years????...we have not been persistent enough since 1997...it's going to be 10 years of annual 'haze festival' soon..even our government is not taking stern actions...very passive..we have been so passive and bearing with this all the time..what more to say DAP is the one sending a memorandum to indonesian embassy...why not MCA or UMNO? what's wrong with malaysians and the government? i am always thinking what can normal citizens like me do? we have no power, no authority? but I still want to voice it out and choose to say what we want and what we don't want...laws are never reinforce properly..looks like situation is hopeless?? NO...we want changes..i cannot understand why it's only API 300 then only consider serious for us...in fact singapore declare 100+ as unhealthy and quickly issued the warning to all citizens...remember the days when our API readings are kept under the carpet?? for tourism industry sake...as if the tourist as blind...it is already known throughout the world that no tourist should come to Malaysia or South East Asia during august to october due to haze...i mean i dun wan to ruin my holidays in such conditions...so the more we complain, the more they want to hide the truth from the world??
frankly speaking, i have no idea what to do in situations like this, we malaysians seriously have NO channels to voice our concerns...anyway, fyi, thailand is a more preferable vacation destination for europeans compared to Malaysia..so in addition with the haze, what's the vision for Visit Malaysia Year 2007?? i'm not being skeptical, but statistic will show...in fact im shocked about the comments from indonesia in this posts..it makes u feel the situation will forever be hopeless because there is no cooperation in the region..btw, i proposed if one day we need to import oxygen, i don't think it's worth it to get Indonesian's o2, perhaps it's better to spend somemore money to get oxygen from the Alpes or something..

If the Indonesians were serious about fighting this annual forest fire celebration, it is really very simple. Just sieze the land that is on fire from the owners. But that won't happen because every other General, politician and policeman will not allow that as their own surces of revenue might be curtailed.

It is not too difficult to pass such a law...but they just won't.

wahhh a bit kurang ajar right... maybe their hands are tied

somebody should tell our brother from seberang that one right doesn't justify a one wrong.

Alamak...

What if we forced the politicans in Malaysia to switch off the aircons in their offices and have their windows open wide everyday whenever the API level exceeds say, 80.

Ditto with their cars and their homes.

Have someone in Parliament challenge them to do that.

Will that help to expediate actions on their part?

Will we ever hear the likes of Najib saying what nonsense he said again?

It is nothing more than asking them to back up their words with personal endorsements.

Cakap serupa bikin mah.

No point talking to gangsters disguised as diplomats we just need to talk to his TOP BOSS thru our TOP BOSS....but this is not going to happen if his nickname which i just heard is the TOP SPECTATOR !.....my face mask please....**## muffled expletives..**##

It seems that our 'friendly' policies such of prospering-thy-neighbour etc under the previous administration have been a big failure. It seems that, in this region, you should only take care of your own backside. I don't mean to be selfish and sarcastic here but I sincerely believe that our donations (millions) to our "good neighbour" during the tsunamis and earthquakes could be put to better use assisting the have-nots in our own backyards. At least they are not going to repay us with those poisonous gas (haze lah).

By the way, why are they not complaining that we donate too much money to their natural disaster fund. My opinion is that these people don't deserve to be help, natural disaster or not. Also, we are not a desert, so, I don't think we really the so called exported oxygen. Anyway, I think their population consumed most of those oxygen before it has the chance to reach our shores. Our own forests, although depleting, is still enough to produce our oxygen demand.

Our own government agencies (DOE etc) said that there is nothing that they can do, after so many years. Amazing. I thought this issue could also be brought up with ICJ. Why no gut to do that? Seems like Indonesia is the big brother of the region. Even so, if we have been so radical in criticizing the big brother of the world (USA), why don't we have to gut the criticize Indonesia for slowly but surely "mass killing Malaysians" using poisonous gas (haze)? We can demonstrate and burn flags and effigies of US and Israel leaders like a mad man process but why can't we send a letter of protest to the Indonesian? We can do all those shameful acts for the Palestinians but why can't we do it for our own Malaysians? Singpore MM Lee Kuan Yew said Singapore need to have strong leaders/government to say no to unreasonable demands from her neighbours. Is our own government so weak that we can't even say no to the Indonesian's haze? Is our government so weak that we don't dare to prosecute Malaysian plantations (as claimed by the Indonesians) responsible for causing so much "discomforts"?

We also need to burn to meet our agricultural industry needs (plantation, paddy field, slash and burn method employ by the natives). Maybe we should consider re-exporting haze to Indonesia. Since they have come out with such statement, I don't think they would complain, or would they? We should allow huge scale open burning on our south west coasts (both West and East Malaysia) when the north east wind is blowing (although it's a bit wet). Make sure that the poisonous gas blanket Jakarta and let them taste their own medicine.

I think we should pool all our medical bills for haze related illness and make a compensation claim from the Indonesians. We should also set up a body to monitor haze related health problems in Malaysia and make those responsible (Indonesian government or Malaysian own plantation) pay for the treatments, economic losses to families of those affected etc. So friends, the next time you think of donating to their causes, think about the haze. Just my two cents opinion.

Exporting oxygen. Our ministers and thier ministers must have gone to the same school.
The School for stupid people.
Lesson 1 would be how to collect rent and do nothing.
Lesson 2 will be how to talk rubbish and make it sound good.
All the ministers should be fired and their salary distributed to the police force as they have to be out in this shit to direct traffic.
To echo everyone else, where is the SIL and Umno Put-Put.? Dont see them protesting. Maybe they are out of the country......'working'....

Can we sue indonesia in international court regarding this?

NOOB!

The biggest oxygen contributor is not forest,but algae. And the ocean is the biggest home for algae.

Singapore expresses disappointment over haze to Indonesia

By Farah Abdul Rahim, Channel NewsAsia | Posted: 11 October 2006 1404 hrs

SINGAPORE: Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong has expressed his disappointment to Indonesian President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono over the recurring haze problem.

In a letter, Mr Lee called on Indonesia to deal with the problem in a timely and effective manner so investor confidence in Indonesia and ASEAN's credibility would not be affected.

The Environment Ministers from the affected ASEAN countries will also meet in Singapore on Friday to discuss urgent and long term measures to tackle the haze situation.

The haze has been hanging over the skies of Indonesia, Malaysia, Singapore, Brunei and even Thailand in recent weeks.

Air quality plunged to unhealthy levels in Singapore over the weekend and also in neighbouring countries, with a fallout on public health, transport and even tourism.

Singapore's Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong said the problem has been particularly serious.

In Mr Lee's letter to Indonesian President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono, he noted that while it might be too late this year to prevent the fires which caused the haze, it was critical to take action now to prevent future forest fires.

The upcoming meeting of the Environment Ministers from the haze-affected countries here in Singapore will do just that - to muster the resources from the 10-member Association of South-East Asian Nations grouping to help Indonesia deal with the haze.

Mr Lee also suggested that the meeting could pave the way for an international one down the road, which Indonesia could convene, to gather the expertise and resources needed to help both Indonesia and ASEAN tackle the problem effectively.

Singapore also stressed the importance of collective responsibility.

"Short-term issues will be because the fire has already started, so I suppose one of the things we have to look at is how we can actually help mitigate these problems. I think Malaysia as well as Singapore have said that they can offer to help Indonesia in terms of cloud seeding and so on, and we stand prepared to help," said Dr Amy Khor, Senior Parliamentary Secretary, Ministry of Environment and Water Resources.

Singapore's Foreign Affairs Ministry has also conveyed its concerns over the haze issue in a Third Person Note to the Indonesian Embassy earlier this week.

- CNA /dt

"If UMNO Youth is organising a demo outside the Indon Embassy, I want to take part."
Banana,
I totally ruling out the possibility of a demo by UMNO youth hereby.
Even they got balls to do so,Indon won't be bothered at all,otherwise their ambassador won't ask an idiot secretary to attend the crowd.
Moreover,even their vice president could say that they had done their best,there's nothing they can do and let's hope for a downpour.
Indon doesn't see this a big problem with their Tidak Apa attitute.What they want is fatter revenue from a harvest.To them,Asean is nothing as they always think that they are the big brother in this organization.
Unless the haze is blown all the way to Aus,Jpan,US and etc,otherwise they will continue to sit on it and do nothing.

This story was printed from channelnewsasia.com

Indonesia apologises for haze, agrees to convene meeting to tackle problem

Posted: 11 October 2006 2058 hrs

JAKARTA : Indonesia apologised on Wednesday to Singapore and Malaysia for the choking haze over both countries and agreed to convene a meeting of regional environment ministers to tackle the problem.

"On behalf of the Indonesian government, I have to apologise to the neighbouring countries for this incident even though clearly this is not an intentional (act) by Indonesia," said President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono.

"Clearly, this is not a problem we intend to inflict to our neighbours and we are continuously trying to tackle it and prevent it in future," Yudhoyono told a press briefing at his office in Jakarta.

Anger had been growing in Malaysia and Singapore over the choking haze from fires raging in Sumatra and Kalimantan in Indonesia, which every year drift over parts of Southeast Asia - damaging health and and disrupting transport and tourism.

Yudhoyono's apology came after Singapore had earlier invited environment ministers from affected nations Indonesia, Malaysia, Thailand and Brunei to a meeting on Friday to discuss "urgent" measures to deal with the problem.

But Indonesia's Foreign Minister Hassan Wirayuda insisted the meeting should be held in his country, possibly in Pekanbaru city on Sumatra island's Riau province, near Singapore.

"We want the meeting to be held nearer to the where the problem is being handled," he told reporters in Jakarta.

Wirayuda did not say when the meeting in Sumatra would take place.

Indonesia's annual burn-off causes a haze that typically smothers parts of Malaysia, Singapore and Thailand as well as Indonesia itself.

Large corporations clearing forests for palm or timber plantations and small farmers using slash-and-burn methods have been blamed. - AFP/ms

i cannot believe that it requires the PM of singapore to voice out for the whole south east asia regarding this issue...isn't malaysia a bigger country than singapore? didnt this pose more threat to malaysia...i think by the time haze reach japan or australia, the visibility here will be 1m? and if it reaches US, will there be any survivors??? mayb amazing race should do a round called 'walk through the haze in malaysia and collect as much durians on the floor' or should it be the fear factor program?

You do not need to look very far. Within walking distances, you can already spot smoke rising up in our atmosphere daily especially inevitable where 'kampung' is nearby.

If someone burn openly in front of one's home do expect DOE officers to come visit you with a pricey ticket to pay. I can tell you they are really efficient when it comes to housing estates.

To my disappointment, villagers burning garbage, dry leaves and/or whatsoever they have swept out of their homes are let go. I live in a neighbourhood next to one Kampung. Near the kampung, there are also some small fruit and vege farms. Open combustion happens every day almost at fixed hours. Reports were made to DOE both verbally and via the web. Unfortunately, I get one very ridiculous answer when I called up the last time. The officer answered after my detailed description, "Oh, itu kawasan kampung, ya? Macam tu kita tak boleh nak bertegas kerana nanti dia orang kata kita tak bertimbang rase sebab tu kampung." What!? Will you accept this response? Can you? So what is all our money gone for, spent for this native's education? Simple environment pollution control they have not learnt??? Weren't many children won their essay writing especially in Bahasa Melayu about 'Hentikan Pembakaran Terbuka'! And now, you ask me to be forgiving and let them continue doing open burning freely just because they are orang kampung? I do not buy it. I will not buy it.

While all of us are hoping the wind will blow away or the rain wash away the haze these culprits are adding on unwanted ingredients to the air.

I am so sick driving along kampung's despite the green trees and cool wooden homes on plenty of land. Never had I spotted one kampung without smoke firing up the sky from it.

TERUK!

Khairy and Kris wielding "what's his name" will not organise protests....they have no b*lls...

Imagine What will happen if the millions of indon illegals in malaysia take offence at the protest and confront him/them ?

This is something he wants avoid.I don't think he got balls to face up to a frenzied mob of Indonesian accusing him of interfering in Indon affairs.

Unlike the US Ms Rice demo...he got his numbers behind him. Ask Khairi to march to protest alone?.....he is not jantan enough to do it alone

And also nothing to gain. Better be like dad...do nothing, say nothing and pray to God to get rid of the haze.