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dear llmran,

i understand u want to help jeff get out of this trouble, n i applaud u for "forgoing your ego" for the sake of everybody else. but there r certain things we must not compromise, and that is our right to free speech.

"I hereby extend my unreserved appology to P Gunasegaram for the possible extreme interpretation of the comment that I left on "Screenshots" blog."

by the above logic, if u r a car manufactuer, llmran n jeff, u would have to apologise for all the "extreme interpretations" of what r the permissible use of motor vehicles by ALL reckless drivers who cause accidents in this world. probably, u should be HANGED, for INVENTING SOMETHING WHICH ALLOWS THE IDIOTS A CHANCE TO THINK OR ACT STUPID.

if u r datin siti, u should also apologise for smiling at the camera n singing all those love songs TO ME, bcos u have caused ME to BELIEVE -NO MATTER HOW FAR FETCHED - that u liked me, u were attracted to me, n u were going to marry ME bcos u SAID TO ME that u 'cinta pada' ku. again, probably, u should be HANGED, for SAYING SOMETHING WHICH GIVE THE IDIOTS A CHANCE TO THINK OR ACT STUPID.

the moment we start taking responsibility for what other people THINK is the day when free speech is given a death sentence. just bcos they refuse to grow up, doesnt mean u should also b as childish.

I agree with you, Juslo.

At the risk of the letter being regarded as insincere:

Somebody remarked, "ular menyusur akar tak akan hilang bisanya." I want to get this 'shooting' over with. And I believe you too. I am willing to forgo my ego for the sake everyone involved; you, your blog, and fellow readers.

IImran already apologised when this brohaha first appeared. Jeff published it even then. Iiran could not have faked his remorse then and it was as sincere as sincere can be.
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iimran, i applaud your courage to humble yourself, and your willingness to compromise for the good of the group and to help avert a conflict. while others may not agree on the effectiveness of your apology in delivering this "good", your intention and action are definitely noble.
and if, in order to resolve this conflict, you are willing to take 2 steps back while guna took 1 step (and apparently still continuing his offensive), you are probably the better man.
for those who can't see the merit in iimran's apology and/or still cannot see the problem in his earlier "for good" statement.... nerver mind lah, i cant expect everyone to get it...
and no, iimran, i still can't agree with your blind support for dr.m, that guy had done so much damage to our country, almost no amount of condemnation is too much! >:-]

jeff,

aren't u going to delete the words "limp hard-on" from Observer's post above? u've already deleted the word 'whore' from wsll's post in "PG rating for the Internet?"
http://www.jeffooi.com/2006/08/pg_rating_for_the_internet.php#comments

jeff,

i was watching u, n u r being naughty now... bad boy!

u've deleted a WHOLE SENTENCE from Observer which says, "Honestly, I feel sorry for Guna for living the life of XXXX a man!" WITHOUT even the HONESTY AND COURTESY of telling us that u've [ DELETED ] it!!!

what's next - deleting the ENTIRE POST without telling us??

jeff, u r acting as scary as the KGB now, n i'm VERY VERY disappointed at u.

SHAME ON U, JEFF

juslo, if you like easy thrills, you can just bend over and suck yourself.

jeff,

please DONT delete lsk's post at 10.29am above. i can handle it, u don't need to patronise me, ok??

lsk - it's not 'easy thrills', it's an experiment of how RIDICULOUS all this censorship thing is getting us into!!

wake up, jeff... please... we love u... (so, is this 'context' good enough for u??)

JEFF OOI says: My sincere suggestion to you is to save your agony. If you are truly sincere about this issue, spend some time and write a decent letter to express your views to the members at the Content Forum. I am quite sure your opinions will be given due merits. We are faced with a serious issue that has far-reaching implications. Please just don't our time to listen to your whine and rant.

"i still can't agree with your blind support for dr.m, that guy had done so much damage to our country, almost no amount of condemnation is too much!" - lsk

I wouldn't say that my support is "blind" like how our 'half-past six' kitchen fixtures are singing. I am throwing my support based on perception of the *current* arguments presented by Tun Dr Mahathir, and counter-arguments from our 'beloved' Pak Lah.

Wow, Jeff has deleted easily 10 lines of my post and left only the first sentence. Looks like Jeff has surely been totally intimidated by Guna and Guna has had his desired effect on Jeff. Why Jeff? No looks like I got to feel sorry for you. You seem so mortified!

JEFF OOI says: You have to convince me that I have carte blanche to stay above the law. You should complaint to the Complaints Bureau that I have flouted Section 3(3) of the Communications and Multimedia Act 1998 because I censor what goes on in the Internet. It's your right.

Dear IImran,

I just wanted to say well done for writing that e-mail. You've probably really helped strengthen Jeff's position in all of this.

Also, you've provided an excellent example in the art of appologising. It's painfully and frustratingly baffling why politicians simply cannot get the hang of it (see Jerlun).

If we say something that's taken the wrong way, what's wrong with appologizing? Is the word 'sorry' so ridiculously humiliating?

People might say that an 'unreserved appology' lessens your credibility - I want to state strongly that it has increased your credibility in my eyes, and further encouraged me to take your opinions as that of a sincere and honorable person.

(that said, I think TDM has had a really realllly sketchy pastlah, heh... but true enough, the Pak Lah administration ain't doing a whole lot better).

Anyway, that's besides the point :) just wanted to say good job! I think you've set a good example that will do a lot for us in the online community :)

Argh..its good to see that this matter has come to an end. We need to practice self-censoreship more than anything else. so fellow comentators, do be responsible for the things that you say, and think before you guys write..same goes to Mr Jeff and other bloggers :)

jeff, i'm afraid your attempt to garner sympathies

JEFF OOI says: CORRECTION. It's not to garner sympathies, because that's thelast thing I ever need. It's about the validity of "self-regulation" among Internet users from the perspective of Malaysian cyberlaw that matters. That's the Big Picture issue I am highlighting, and only those with the correct mental construct can debate it civilly, intellectually on its far-reaching implicatioins. I will DELETE all personal attacks, but I will encourage intellectual debate.

in order to have readers "reflect" their views to the power that be, will not work too well, because 1) i think you may be overplaying it. 2)malaysians are still not too keen on risking their well-being and comfort for "justice". 3) whines and rants on "freedom of speech" etc. superficial positional arguments do not take into consideration the interests of the other side and will just be ignored.

JEFF OOI says: Which is absolutely fine., In the end you ghet the Internet governance you deserved. At least I can retire, telling my kids that I have tried my level best, and fought a good fight for Internet sanctity. But offensive language used by blog commenters are ruining the governance structure, and bloggers are unfortunately the vistims of direct impact. You seriously missed this aspect..

The Sun in its print edition has highlighted the apology which can be deemed “offensive”. The bold headline states
“Author of offensive blog post apologises”
Shouldn’t it be “comment” instead of “blog post”. The author of the comment is IImran and the apology is from him. Jeff is the author (publisher) of the blog post and in the mediation results he gave an undertaking to publish the apology. So was it Jeff who apologises as the Sun make it out? Jeff, high time you shoot an email and demand an apology or at least a correction. See details of post:
http://powerpresent.blogspot.com/2006/08/jeff-oois-commenter-eats-umble-pie.html

JEFF OOI says: I can fault Zeus if the Sun esclipse once in a while. I will let the recprd speak for itself.

apologies are tendered..sl let us move on.

So PG..can you move on? How long morw are you going to harp on llmran

Hi Ilmran,
I don't think you were in the wrong. Hope you can get past this soon :) Cheers.

Saudara Ilmran,

I know what you are going through.

Because of your words, "Shoot him for good", although I am sure you meant, "Someone please shut him up", you have been brought to fore with all sorts of negative implications mounted on you. In reality, the nagging feeling that the current episode is going to turn into something much worse has been hanging over your brow over the past weeks must have been over-bearing. For this, I totally understand the anguish you are going through and my thoughts and prayers to you and family.

From my point of you, you were in the unfortunate circumstance of "being at the wrong place at the wrong time". I am confident to say that the faculties of the printed media have been feeling irked that the mainstream media are being regulated by PPPA while blogs are not. So your comment must have been like the Holy Grail for these institutions, the smoking gun, pun intended, and conclusive evidence to a most heinous crime.

Suffice to say, you were made a patsy. The bait to catch the prize, Screenshots and its owner, Jeff Ooi. In the end, it's about control. Somebody could not tolerate that someone is operating outside conventional operating parameters. So somebody resorted in using a frivolous comment in order to control someone. And it was a successful ploy, as the mediation results prove. Now somebody can say to someone, "See, I can find a way to 'control' what you print".

This must be the most profound chapter in your life and I have no doubt the events have changed the way to think and more accurately, the way you speak and write. I wish you the best of luck.

I don't make many comments in here at all, but I do lurk this blog at least once a day, and I need to say something now. Thinking allowed, right? Right, but not so loud lah - sign of the times and whatnot .... utter rubbish.

To Ilmran: Its very unfortunate that for your off-the-cuff remark PG has decided to make it a public issue, rather than do the appropriate thing which is to STEP-UP to this blog and reply directly to you. As the seasoned journalist he is, I'm sure he would've made some interesting reading. As for your apology, I was taught from a very young age that it takes the bigger man, the better man; to step-up and offer peace.

But something smells a bit dodgy here. PG is a journalist. Is it really true that this veteran actually endorses censorship? Who benefits from all this? PG? The Sun? Cui bono.