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Aiyoyo...

If I wrote "What in the name of Siti Nurhaliza is Mahathir doing? Can someone shut this man up, and just tell him to retire for good?", does that mean that:

1. Siti Nurhaliza is a God?
2. Any one of 25 million Malaysians should shut Mahathir up by either taping his mouth or otherwise?
3. Any one of 25 million Malaysians should tell Mahathir verbally that he should retire, in the true meaning of the word or how the Mafia means it?

Come on Guna. You know well enough that what he meant was that Malaysians who feel that you were seemingly siding a party they don't support to unite in voice and tell you so.

Man! If every word we say is taken in extreme context, what then can we make of what Mahathir meant at a gathering in Kelab Century Paradise when he said, "Takkan Pak Lah tipu kot? Dia cucu (of a man that is pious - I can't remember the words exactly)"

Guna, GROW UP.

Jeff,

You said:
"I respect P Gunasegaram's right to persistently criticise former Prime Minister Dr Mahathir Mohamad without giving an iota of sincere credit for his 22 years of service to the country -- not once, but twice in the recent months"

Similiarly,some readres here have also noted yr persisent pushing of certain positions recently one of which is with regards to TM-former Proton Cheif.

Speaking for myself,I do not mind you or P Gunasegaram pushing hwatever position you may like so long as my comments can appear,that is good enough for me.

As for reader Limran,I must admit that the choice of words were quite unfortunate,but the mistake was quickly corrected,reader Limran had also made a clarification,it is good enough,unless P Gunasegaram wants to push it further,in which case I suppose if it were me,I would say sorry to him.

Personally I welcome both you and P Gunasegaram to carry on pushing yr respective positions or agendas as some prefer to call.

Let's push on

Well, Guna is repeating what Jeff once said - "What is illegal in the real world is also illegal in the Internet"

Real world rules apply to the virtual? Here's what you get.

In my opinion, Limran did not really mean for people to go and shoot Guna.

However, imagine if this was a real world publication.

If suddenly NST was to publish a letter from somebody saying "Let's all kick this Jeff Ooi out", what kind of reaction would that get?

I have never agreed with neither Jeff nor Guna on this.

The web should remain free.

If you take the word "shoot" alone, it can be inteprate as to be "to gun down" but if you look at the whole sentence and the situation (i.e., debating or discussion in blogs) the sentence is definitely mean "to take aim at Gunasegaram". Aim with what. of course with words since we are in blogs here and not in shooting gallery.

According to Webster dictionary, "Shoot for" mean "to aim at". So the sentence "SHOOT this Gunasegaram FOR good" can be inteprate as "to aim our comments permanently at Gunasegaram".

guna you seem to be on one side and you have always hit on tun m (even when tun gave you an interview , you complain ) and more so now,i wonder why ? you know what llmran meant and yet you choose to think otherwise.i think its about time for you to go.you getting old and grumpy

Hmmm .... past few days, all the news about clamping down on bloggers... to the extent that TheStar headlined "Bloggers Beware".

Imagine this - What if the gahmen or perhaps TheStar had said something like -- "Shoot the bloggers" ...

Real scary .... especially if the ones on top the armed forces or police forces interprete as to literally shoot all the bloogers !!

there are 18 meanings to the word 'shoot' (v. tr.) in www.thefreedictionary.com

a distraught teenager is often heard saying, 'My mother is going to kill me!'

Hey Jeff,

Just becoz someone said the word "Shoot" some one. It cannot be taken as to the Act of Shooting Someone With A rifle or a Gun with the intension of "Causing Bodily Harms".

Shoot also means among others, fire, Letoff, Discharge,spurt,squirt,run,dart,race,zip,zoom,film,photograph.

I think if we googled on "Shoot" there will be thousands of meaning.

I suggest Mr.P.Gunasegaram while his editor in chief Mr. Ho should have Googled or Wiki the word "Shoot" before Jumping on their guns.

Out of disgust i can say 2 things outright.
Mr.Guna, Dont be so perasaan la that peope want to cause "whatever that you claim" to you. I dont think its good to let your Ego think you or your writings or your whatever is so huge it can fill up an hot air baloon.

Number 2. When You said in ur Mail to Jeff that "for writing a fair and substantiated commentary on what is happening in our country" in Para no.3.
Where have u been all this while Sir?. Hiding under some Tempurung?. Are you sure what you have been writing is really whats happening in our country? Are those that you wrote burning issues? If what you wrote is called "Fair" and "substantiated commentary" as you claim, Then i would say You are blind or trying hard to act like one.

Pls Grow Up Sir, I had more respect of you and your writing. Well that was then Of course.

And Pls do something about the things that you write. Dont write croked Articles and claim that its fair and substantiated. If what you write is Croked, then of course you get Crooked Commentary.

And lastly, yeah for your question on How Jess is going to "Assure your safety"? I think Jeff maybe you can hire those 7 army guys from kelantan to protect our "perasaan" editor?...or are they under arrest already?

Hey Jeff,

Just becoz someone said the word "Shoot" some one. It cannot be taken as to the Act of Shooting Someone With A rifle or a Gun with the intension of "Causing Bodily Harms".

Shoot also means among others, fire, Letoff, Discharge,spurt,squirt,run,dart,race,zip,zoom,film,photograph.

I think if we googled on "Shoot" there will be thousands of meaning.

I suggest Mr.P.Gunasegaram and his editor in chief Mr. Ho should have Googled or Wiki the word "Shoot" before Jumping on their guns.

Out of disgust i can say 2 things outright.
Mr.Guna, Dont be so perasaan la that peope want to cause "whatever that you claim" to you. I dont think its good to let your Ego think you or your writings or your whatever is so huge it can fill up an hot air baloon.

Number 2. When You said in ur Mail to Jeff that "for writing a fair and substantiated commentary on what is happening in our country" in Para no.3.
Where have u been all this while Sir?. Hiding under some Tempurung?. Are you sure what you have been writing is really whats happening in our country? Are those that you wrote burning issues? If what you wrote is called "Fair" and "substantiated commentary" as you claim, Then i would say You are blind or trying hard to act like one.

Pls Grow Up Sir, I had more respect of you and your writing. Well that was then Of course.

And Pls do something about the things that you write. Dont write croked Articles and claim that its fair and substantiated. If what you write is Croked, then of course you get Crooked Commentary.

And lastly, yeah for your question on How Jeff is going to "Assure your safety"? I think Jeff maybe you can hire those 7 army guys from kelantan to protect our "perasaan" editor?...or are they under arrest already?

In another common way of speaking, when one permits the other party to say something, he might just use the simple word 'Shoot'.

As one simple example here, lest another misinterprete the message:

Tom: Dad, I've got something to say.

Dad: Shoot.

Don't we hear this enough in TV or movies? Just imagine some twisted minds actually take out a gun and SHOOT his dad!

Wel! Well! :)
only people with brilliant mind would think of that simple expression/thought could be so meaningful.
What can we make out of "If look can kill"?

wow, all these brilliant minds coming together to twist-and-turn ways out of this one! my english is very poor. it is very clear to me what limran's statement said. may be it is said one way but understood another way, but in my book, as long as it can be misunderstood, the decent thing to do is admit the mistake, apologise and make amend.
then, we can all go back to putting on the superman cap, wear a red underwear outside and go fight for justice and peace, in cyberspace!

Jeff,

Firstly: stay strong man.

Secondly: In my opinion, Guna is just an insecure journalist (he thinks he is) doing the bidding of the Government. In fact, I'm not surprised if [ DELETED ] is actually spinning via Guna, since Kali has probably lost plenty of street cred with his links.

Thirdly: Guna is the [ DELETED ] here for publishing what he wrote so soon after the attack on Tun.

Last but not least: Guna think he so BIG ah? Until people want to kill him for real. Come on lar, everyone knows he is only the [ DELETED ] . Kill [ DELETED ] for what? Waste of time only lar. Not worth the trouble. We know [ DELETED ]

By the way, if it's your time to go, it's your time to go. kekekek....and they call it "takdir" right? The pious PM can surely give Guna a lesson on the Almighty's will.

PEACE. MALAYSIA BOLEH!!

I still absolutely disagree with the fact that the blog owner can be held responsible for comments. Comments are the responsibility of the commenters, especially if they are registered commenters.
So this Gunasegaram should have filed a report against the commenter not Jeff Ooi!
Furthermore mr. Gunasegaram should not cry foul he could have expected to receive harsh comments on his one sited article. But of course he probably has the protection of the ruling group.

ohh my goddd.... it really have gone out of hand...

It needed only one crack-pot to take Limran's "shoot" to mean "kill" and Guna could have been a goner. Scary as it may sound but there are people out there looking for a cause. Remember Abraham Lincoln and the Kennedy brothers to name but a few.

However, Guna should know that it is quite impossible for someone like Jeff to monitor all inputs before they are posted. So this complaint against Jeff is ridiculous and Guna is simply using this episode to "kacau" Jeff. I'm sure Jeff will soon be invited for tea by the Polis diRaja.

Dell, I fully agree with you to let people push whatever agendas they have. People can decide for themselves whether Jeff's soft spot for TM of Guna's hard knocks against Tun Mahathir is warranted.

What do I think Limran meant? I don't believe for one moment that Limran really meant it when he called for someone to kill Guna. But as I said, it takes only one crack-pot, er crack-shot.

Limran had mentioned not only 'shoot' but also [ DELETED ]

Guna I think you have missed out something, your compliant should also include inciting someone to [ DELETED ] you too.

Come on, I thought a learned person like U, will know the meaning of the use of these words.
yoU are making a mountain out of a mole hill.

With due respect, your life is very dear and paramount to you. But to others it may not have the 5 cents worth for him to take the trouble & effort to do what you are acussing others of.

Here, We are more concern with the Big Picture
We want greater freedom of expression, not killing it.
What is your agenda, trying to generate incidence and excuses for Govt to curb the Internet Blog.

What are you up to really ?

Jeff, I actually sent you another email after the one you published, but it failed to deliver. But I guess it does not matter anymore.

I'll keep the failure notice, just in case MCMC rings me up.

I am with Dell what he aid of both Jeff and Mr.G thats why blogs are for...expressing ones view of things but Mr G's primary objective is probably to be seen as a 'matyr' for this 'crusade' so that whoever it may be that Mr G is supporting might just feel more gratified ...who knows he may be made Dato G soon !!!!
Jeff I am with you so keep blogging !

There was this minister who said some years ago something like:

Line the (cheating) taxi drivers up and shoot them.

No complaints abot him, even though it is quite clear that his meaning of shoot was to execute with gunfire.

I think P. Gunasegaram has over-reacted.

I do not agree with the rationale of 'IImran' [indeed I hold the opposit viewpoint], I think he has every right to feel that he wants a brake be put to P. Gunasegaram's writings if he felt the writings were something he considered rubbish.

C'mon, Guna.. let's be real. you're in the business of word play. if anyone should know interpretation, it should be you. fine, you felt threatened. and you took it up with Jeff. and Jeff did not sit on his ass, he got Limran to clarify and Limran did not cop out. He explained himself and assured you that no one was being incited to kill you. You should commend Jeff for standing by his blog, being fair to you and Limran and taking prompt action. but now, you, in typical knee jerk fashion have taken in to the papers. you know... we're all fighting for a better Malaysia here. some tend to push personal agendas, in blogs as well as newspapers. but with the power to reach, comes responsibility. Jeff didn't shirk, neither did Limran. ball is in your court. don't bloody waste space in the newspapers. be responsible to us Malaysians. we get enough horseshit in the NST. think about the Malaysia, our kids will be left with. Mine, Jeff's, Limran's and your's. push for positive change. enough bullshit... please.

I nearly fell down my chair.

All I can say, I'm disappointed and amused Mr Gunasegaram can interpret what IIlham had commented as threat??!!

Guna, u are such a cry baby.

Btw, shoot in my limited vocabulary means [ DELETED ] . :-)

Can't say what I feel like sayin as it would be unlawful, harmful, threatening, abusive, harassing, tortious, defamatory, vulgar, obscene, libelous, invasive of another's privacy, hateful, or racially, ethnically or otherwise objectionable and may result in the loss of my posting rights at our beloved Screenshots.

I will say however that this incident will increase our readerbase.

Thanks Guna!

Hang in there Jeffrey!

Quest...

You dirty basket... :)

Dr. Ronin
Better watch out. First, someone sembang to shoot(read squirt) him, and now you are calling him blind!

Either way, he's gonna get wet in his pants, if he is not already.

Wait a minute, why you guys here trying to defend what you say or comment?

This Guna make use of his position and write about Mahathir, he is also trying to incite mass crowd in his smearing campaign. You are what you say, right? And please, we do also read newspaper, Guna. So when you make someone angry doesn't mean he is influenced by this blog, you moron.

So public joe like you and me who don't agree with him, we can do what ever we want! Furthermore talk is cheap and we are at the same playing field with this Guna.

Why not he write something about Sammy. Why not write something about the plight of the hardcore poor Indian community, which get no benifit nor improvement after all these while. Don't just disgracing yourself... Be more 'useful' and not just live by the name of it.

Disclaimer: What ever I wrote here is in my personal point of view and got nothing to do with this blog or the moderator. So you MFs out there don't have to waste time and try to hijack this blog to launch your propaganda to oppress freedom of speech. You might take someone down, but you cannot take the ideas beneath it.

Dear Guna,

In my opinion, it is not up to Jeff to ensure your safety. Mainly because of what you wrote in your article, you yourself would have incited many enemies, both against you and also Tun Dr Mahathir.

Your recent article will have the side effects that, those who supported Mahathir will hate you, those who hate Mahathir will hate hime more. Can I say you had incited someone to spray pepper at Mahathir?

The same argument people cannot held you responsible for the recent bodily harm caused to Mahathir, you cannot held Jeff responsible if something bad really happen to you.

Maybe what Limran meant was shoot with watergun. :P

Let "shooot" the SUN out of our restaurents, Condo, groceries shop, Mall etc. Lelong it as old newspaper for 1sen a kilo.

STOP advertising in the SUN and the Edge.

Unless Guna apologies - profusely.

Shoot with mace?

Shoot with pepper spray?

Psssssssshhhhhhhhhh!

Maybe llmran shouldn't shoot his mouth off.

Maybe we shouldn't shoot from the hips from now on.

Reminds me of this joke about a panda going into a wild west bar, ordered some bamboo shoots for lunch and depart without paying.

The panda eats shoots and leaves.

;)

This is really unbelievable!

What is Guna & theSun doing making a complaint about this? More like shooting ( [ DELETED ] , thanks Quest) on their feet.

This is an open forum system, albeit a moderated one. Why should the moderator gets bitched at and complained at for his approach to moderation his forum?

If Guna really had an issue about fearing for his life on that, he should go seek clarification from the comment poster. I'm sure the moderator here would give complete co-operation if digital evidence is requested.

I see it this way:
kena bully, kena talk bad - complain. Like budak-budak only.

Furthermore, it was a complaint about the moderator, not about the comment poster. Bloody hell, if that's the case, all the blogs/forums no need to bother with user interaction, discussion, commentaries. There goes Web 2.0

No thanks to these people who cant live with giving the rights of free speech to others. Like that we might as well just go back to Web 1.0 - good example here: http://www.jpjwilayah.gov.my/

Hmm... "Someone please shoot this [ DELETED ] for good."

Whatever this means, the sentiment behind this statement surely can't be good.

and yet someone disagreed with me that this is a circle jerk.....

I read Mr Guna's articles in the star and all of them make a lot of sense. But I have lost all respect for him and the weekly he writes for being so childish and unbecoming of a journalist, a very senior one at that I believe, who cannot laugh at the comment, like everybody else, he takes offence for. There is absolutely no malice in an off the cuff remark like that.These are the guys who talk about press freedom!
But wait a minute. Is this another step to the threats the govt. has been talking about detaining bloggers and is he and his weekly contributing what it can,lending a hand, to strengten the case against and currying favour?
Barking on the wrong tree, Guna.
ksn

Jeff,

In your introduction to this post, you said Dr. Mahathir was the one who said "Shoot Them!". Could it have been the late Tan Sri Ghazalie Shafie who actually said this?

JEFF OOI says:There are about 250 items on Google about this 1979 incident. I have given the URL links. Didn't you check?

Sorry,"the Star" should read "The Edge"

Guna....guna...

Take the chill pill dude!!

(Clarification: The chill pill mentioned above is non toxic and non deadly. The author was merely telling Guna to relax and chill down.)

/// In your introduction to this post, you said Dr. Mahathir was the one who said "Shoot Them!". Could it have been the late Tan Sri Ghazalie Shafie who actually said this? ///

Nope - it was Dr M. I remembered it caused an international uproar then. And he tried to wriggle out of this "shooting his mouth off" by claiming that he was misquoted by the press and he actually said "Shoo them", as in shoo-ing them away. How does one shoo away boat people?

I've instructed my communication dept. to pull out all ads in theSUN asap. say now to theSun

When someone utter the words "GO TO HELL" to another person, doesn't that mean wishing that person dead, by whatever means? Is that also a crime? Pee lah GUNA washed with SALT

It is absurd to assume the same rules outside the net applies here.

People empowered and secure behind their veil of anonymity on the net would be more bold in expressing opinions, considering they are less binding then statements out in the open. It's a whole different field.

Milliions of threats such as these are uttered everyday on boards all over and few are really carried out.

This is quite an overreaction

cheers

Often we received enquiries from daily work or interactions.

Eg:

Employee: Boss, i have some problems to discuss with you.

Boss: Shoot!

Mr Guna, if we should follow your footstep, imagine how many billions of police reports will be made a year.

You think our police no work to do? Can't senior journalist see things in perpective.

Quite recently, when Mr.Wong made a brief mention on Dr.M 'anti-corrosion action', he was reprimanded ( I wanted to use 'almost lynched'...better play safe here). Today, another author wrote two volumes of not so nice 'fair commentaries' on Dr.M and he want to reprimand the public Joe for commenting on his articles. Why the sudden change in direction?

I recollect seeing a film on the historic meeting among Roosevelt,Stalin and Churchil asto how to contain and check Germany during the W.W 2. Either Roosevelt or Stalin suggested as a joke that the best 50000 German scientists be rounded up.Churchil asks then what?Roosevelt answers" Shoot them". Churchill was not amused because he did not realise it was a joke meant to upset him. The story is correct but I cannot exactly recollect the sequence.
Please learn to laugh, especially people in public life, like journalists,in particular when the joke in on us.
KSN

Somebody Shot the Sheriff ! but apparently didnt Shoot the Deputy . Go figure it out.

A Quote "When I came back to Dublin I was courtmartialed in my absence and sentenced to death in my absence, so I said they could shoot me in my absence."
Brendan Behan
Irish author & dramatist (1923 - 1964)

'shoot' very difficult word to handle. now with all sorts of issues -- frenzied islamists, pepper spraying/teargas throwing umno members and whatever have you, it's perhaps better to use terms like, 'piss on him/her', ....terms that will not conjure images of firearms ... genitals ok...firearms, no...
you never know what loonies move within our midst. :-)

function Confused()
{
banjaran == guna;
banjaran == guna's friend;
}

I can't hide that I am feeling very distraught and depressed due to this unwarranted attention, possible (and proven) misinterpretation, and myriad of possibilities hanging with it.

Your comments lifted my mood a bit.

At his junction, anything I say or do, can and will be used against me. So, I'll just read on...

TheWrathOfGrapes,

Whodunit? My apologies, I did not bother to read the internet archive that Jeff had linked to. You and the archives must be correct. Somehow I've always attributed this statement to Ghaz and the infamous "shoo them" clarification.

Guna,

If you are reading this, please relax. I am certain IImran did not mean it when he suggested someone please kill you! Never mind you may be digging your own grave (please I don't mean to hurt your feelings).

It appears that some things are destined to be constants in Malaysia. Biased press is one of them.

I like(d) reading The Edge for its articles. Things you hardly read in the mainstream papers.

Maybe I was naive to have assumed that things are changing in Malaysia but it appears that my hopes have been dampened because Guna is just like the rest of them. A proxy.

Isn't his timing impeccable?

Guna, shame on you and I mean it. Same for you, Tong. I did feel sorry for you for having lost your bank. Not any more.

like most people here, i felt that llmran meant no harm. i mean he did not really meant 'shoot' as to kill. guna, a supposedly intelligent, educated man should know better than that.

most of us sometime or other do use the word 'shoot' (i know i do) but we don't mean to kill the person. it's just a play of word to emphasis our indigntion or anger.

lucia,

You are so nice! I think Occam's Razor may be apllied in this case. This rule is interpreted to mean that the simplest of two or more competing theories is likely to be the correct one. Also called the law of parsimony.

[ DELETED ]

dramanyer... kesian IImran, I'm more than positive that he didn't mean what Mr. Guna implied.

But AmirHafizi's comment gave me a whole lot of new things to ponder upon, regarding the recent 'bloggers beware' business....

I think the whole thing is a sabo or coNSpi. There's definitely a Third party behind this. It's either 'you lose your license' or 'go kacau Jeff a bit' kinda thing.

And btw, Jeff, since you're part of the CMCF also, how are you going to investigate yourself? ;)

Mahathir later went on to say he was misquoted. What he meant to say was: Shoo them (as in shoo them away). I guess llmran's not pleading innocence by claiming a slip of finger.... must remember... what you type is what you write. At least he owns up and not put anyone in jeopardy

Oh sh*t.. (strictly speaking I might be breaking the law to swear in the public…), it sounds to me another sad case of an editor who had failed the English test if he chooses to in interpret the many meanings of the word "shoot" in such a narrow way.

But wait a minute, I had read many of his articles before and I think he is a Malaysian of very high caliber and standard. He is definite a good guy who I believe has a much bigger capacity and tolerance level to accommodate diverse views or ideas. What the fxck is a blog and the view expressed by a “kecik moyet” blog reader as compared to something written by a GEIC of a print media giant which commands much much wider readership, respect and not to say influence.

Guna or the power that be (I tend to suspect someone somewhere up there may have learnt this sort of intimidating tactic from someone down south), please leave the Malaysia blogs and the bloggers community (readers included) alone. I think the size and the influence of “Citizen Jounalism” is not reaching a stage to threaten anybody’s job or “rice bowl” or position yet. Also, who say we must or should behave and run our country like that southern neighbour, i.e. control, detain and sue ? And always go to the extreme of killing or shooting down any ideas which may be just slightly different from the ruling party’s ? I think we Malaysians have a much bigger capacity and much bigger room for critical and creative thinking than that.

[ DELETED ] :p

Dear all,

Can I decree that from today onwards, "to do a Guna" means to behave like a silly little sore loser?

Catch anyone doing a Guna lately?

Only a person with poor English comprehension can read the phrase so literally.

Although the moderator should be held responsible in this matter because he had vetted the post and publish it,

JEFF OOI says: Contrary to feedback mechanism used in Blogger.com, MoverType3.2 that I use to publish this blog will ( 1 ) require the commenter to register a TypeKey authentication account before he can post ( 2 ) once the TypeKey account is activated and the first post AUTOMATICALLY published, he/she has also activated a "trust Level" of sorts, and he/she can continue to publish any number of comments after login to TypeKey. All published comments are only moderated thereafter. This is where I will exercise diligence in moderating the feedback section. I may have missed some offensive ones as there are thousands of readers' feedback in a month. ( 3 ) The third level of surveillence is my dependence on the "whistle-blower" who will alert me of offensive comments either via my mobile, email or SMS -- to all this I am ever grateful.

he also had done the right thing by asking Ilmran to clarify himself and delete off the "offending" part of the message.

Coming from a newspaper editor, I felt sorry for the journalist in our country.

In his article on Mahathir in theSun, Guna himself wrote in his last-but-one paragraph.... "But we Malaysians have this habit of SHOOTING ourselves in our feet oftentimes, blowing up larger than life political posturing into political crises instead of getting on with the matters that matter. Mahathir is counting on that."

Is Guna implying that it is Malsysians' favourite past-time to shoot ourselves in the feet? Literally? What does he mean by 'shooting'?

LOL :)

I believe the gahmen will somehow use this case/example when considering to control blogs.

Aye, aye to commoner's decree.

Guna of the day award goes to........

What low class bullying tactics they have to intimidate the on line community!!!

Shame on you, [ DELETED ] Guna"!

Guna, What are you trying to do ?

Are you an agent of the ruling party, trying hard to carry their [ DELETED ] ?

When TM posed Questions to AAB, you began asking the 22 questions ? (for 22 yrs you never ask, why now ?)

Next, Govt try to curb freedom of expression in internet, you immediately generated a case perhaps suitable for them to use as excuses to go ahead with Internet censorship. Very clever, very obedient, what else you are going to do to please.

Guna, don't overestimate you importance. Your miserable life is not worth for most of us to look at, let alone wasting our energy to shoot you.

Karen, you got a point there.

I believe Guna knows what he's doing.

Folks, there is much more going on than just a police report made ...

Our govt through their media proxy is very fond of building up issues in the mass media which controls public perception.

Build it up, pre-warn us before action is coming so when once the hatchet is swung, no one is caught by 'surprised'.

A few issues we should watch out for:
1. Bloggers beware
2. Don't waste water
(Tariff may go up)
- maybe after election.
- population increases,
consumption also increases
- how to define increasing consumption?
- too general a comment
- a 'premonition' to us

Jeff, I SUPPORT YOU!
Same for all other responsible bloggers out there.

These days, all of us should watch our backs. Read behind the lines of all the articles. They are forming a meaning of some sort.

Pre-warning.

When is the general election by the way?

[Quote:]
Although the moderator should be held responsible ....

JEFF OOI says: Contrary to feedback mechanism used in Blogger.com, MoverType3.2 that I use to publish this ..... All published comments are only moderated thereafter. This is where I will exercise diligence in moderating the feedback section. ....
[Unquote]

Thank you for correcting me Jeff. If you haven't moderate the post then you cannot be held responsible. The responsibility is squarely with the person who posted the the comment. Anyway you did show transparency (yes, a word we heard everyday from the government but hardly practiced) and that is commendable. Everyone is entitled to explain themselves in a democratic country.

I apologise on my poor understanding of the MoverType system.

Another thought.

Jeff, do let us know on report of your site monitoring activites post-Guna's police report article.

Would be interesting to find out how much readership has increased.

While they published, they may as well and should have put in www.jeffooi.com.

Why not insert in article? Afraid? Afraid of what?

I have been promoting blog reading amongst my friends to get the alternative and sometimes truer report - what is not found in newspaper.

We should use this chance to promote blog readings. :)

Blessing in disguise.

Amen.

Dear All,

I am not lawyer, but I would like to share with you our Malaysia Penal Code Section 351 entitled "Assault" that says:

Whoever makes any gesture or any preparation, intending or knowing it to be likely that such gesture or preparation will cause any person present to apprehend that he who makes that gesture or preparation is about to use criminal force to that person, is said to commit an assault.

Explanation: Mere words do not amount to an assault. But the words which a person uses may give to his gestures or preparation such a meaning as may make those gestures or preparations amount to an assault.

Illustrations:

(a) 'A' shakes his fist at 'Z', intending or knowing it to be likely that he may thereby cause 'Z' to believe that he is about to strike 'Z', he has committed an assault.

(b) 'A' begins to unloose the muzzle of a ferocious dog, intending or knowing it to be likely that he may thereby cause 'Z' to believe that he is about to cause the dog to attack 'Z'. He has committed an assault upon 'Z'.

(c) 'A' takes up a stick, saying to 'Z', "I will give you a beating." Here, though the words used by 'A' could in no case amount to an assault, and though the mere gesture, unaccompanied by any other circumstances might not amount to an assault, the gesture explained by the words may amount to an assault.

Note: The illustrations are printed under the code itself.

Any lawyer out there to interpret this code?

allenext, the allegation is "a posting inciting people to do bodily harm to Gunasegaram over an article he wrote".
who said anything about assault? i know you guys don't like metaphors....but, you are just setting up a straw man.
for the benefit of the majority here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

Hey Guna,
[ DELETED ] Heah..?

Incredibly petty and lame on Gunasegaram's part. A lot more nasty comments have been posted on blogs, forums and media sites and even those don't deserve what Gunasegaram is doing.

"TAK GUNA LANGSUNG!'

That could have more than meanings:
"Never used the brain"
"It's not typical of Guna"
"I didn't use it"
"It's of no use"
"It's not Guna totally"

So how ah?

Doovad likes to put on record as being supportive of intelligent and responsible Malaysian blogs like Jeff's and the whole 'gang'.
(The word 'gang' used is not reflective of gangsterism but of people alike. Hahahahaha. LMHOROTF. You never know what they want to frame you for. Better we qualify. I have been working too much on fine prints lately).

MALAYSIA BLOGLEH!
(hey am I the first to use blogleh like this. i just googled. It's Doovad's)

Oh, no, not again....this is deja vu.

- MENJ

As this episode developed, readers are flooding the blog to explain innocent use of the word shoot. Some others explained the no harm intend of IImran except for his hot air. Jeff did apologise, retract certain statements. All done to pacify [ DELETED ] Guna. And IImran himself under numerous feedback was saying - What have I done !

More I read more angry I grow. here is a case of an almighty draconian with unseen Agenda intimating the net-citizen. Earler it seem [ DELETED ] guna is the victim, he claimed that his 2-sen worth of life has been thretened. When he made the complain n taking to press, he turned the table and become the BULLY.

He threaten directly IImran & Jeff. - possible polis call or detention
He threaten the whole "Social structure" of the Internet - M'sia Internet Censorship.
He threaten the freedom of expression. - better shutup, else I make you liable
He threaten the Internet Blog - setting the stage for Govt. to curb
He threaten the Democracy in Malaysia.
He threaten the progress of Malaysia to move forward.

[ DELETED ] Guna, What have you done.

I understand you are eager to get a pad on the back or a biscuit from the Carrot-Man.
But in the process, you know what you are killing off.
If your Agenda is successful, you will go down in history as the Carrot-man's pawn that lead to ......
Your tak-guna name will stink forever.

[ DELETED ]guna,
if I were you, I will apologise, retract my complain etc ..

Well, Jeff and IImran,
Keep up the good work - we are all with you.

If Jeff and limran is to be jailed, then "I SHOT THE SHERIFF" a big hit in early 70s' sung by Eric Clapton, lyrics by Bob Marley should have be banned long time ago.

Thousands and thousands of us now in early 40s' to may be in late 80s' should have be locked up by the police.

Although it is not a big hit now, occasionally you still can hear it on the radio.

For spreading the idea of Justice, and at the same time not to create fuss, Bob Marley chose not to use his original "title" check out this website http://www.bobmarley.com/songs/songs.cgi?sheriff.

I suggest next time anyone want to post sensitive issue, don't lah terang terang mention names, you can put anything you like, but please lah don't mention names.

We should have a body like Parliament Select Committee to monitor blogs and alike, and most importantly Editors in chief.

Sharon stone dressed to kill, our dear bloggers write to kill.
Who should be employed by FBI ?

Dear G, if your reaction is not for hidden motives, then you should ashamed of your jurnalistic stupidity !

I'm glad that there are avenues to express opinions with regards to comments raised by Mr Guna. He obviously thinks he can use his columns in The Edge to try and divert people's attention from the issues that is valid to address; believing in his self professed wisdom (what a joke if compared to what Tun M have done for the country, mistakes included).I am not sure what is his preoccupation not to agree with Tun Mahathir is all about-it does borders close to a personal dislike (that is his real problem actually ).Khairy and the PM and cabinet members have not answered the issues satisfactorily...so please just answer the question proper - we do not want to hear what Tun M should do, should not do or should have done.Just answer the guy and please dont insult the people's intelligence by giving lame answers..because all of you claim to be so wise that you lobbied be elected right?.Mr Guna, all your so called educated analysis will not change that fact.As for the 'shoot' issue, come on Mr Guna...your are a journalist are you not? Dont be such a cry baby Mr Guna (I am almost crying)...

Mr G, it comes to me as a shock that such a mundane issue is blown out of proportion.I just cant believe that you actually think your life is threatened in any way.Never mind the various meanings of the word shoot,but Mr G,I think you know the harmless truth deep down in your heart.As for you Jeff, I feel sorry for the trouble that you may have to go through.