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I emphathized with Ilham. I too would be upset if someone quote me out of context and use it agaist another innocent party.

Respectable.

IImran apology and defense sounds like a gentleman and make this Gunasegaram guy sounds [ DELETED ]

Duh? Come on. This Guna fella dumb or what?

In terms of incitement and guilt, I rather think this Guna fella is more guilty of inciting sentiments against Mahathir by his article. And he was published on both sides of the causeway (half scenic bridge)/second link.

Secondly, only the few blog-readers were subject to the incitement to [ DELETED ] him in the first place. That is until he and his editor opted to blow it up all over including the print media. Now he is thousands of times more at risk because the readers of print media are now aware of the incitement and might therefore be incited to [ DELETED ] him. How is he going to hide and protect himself from them all?

No logic at all so his good faith ought to be questioned.

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Come on lah ... like many, I also have the view that it was a figure of speech ... now with his clarification and apology, what more do we all want ?
This is not about protecting his right to say whatever he wanted - quite on the contrary, it has to do with somebody who made an honest mistake, and is now trying to make amends.
Unless ... there is something else that my simple mind has not yet seen ?

Sorry - forgot something. The lesson that should also be learnt is that we all have to be extra careful about what we post. There have been enough warnings and appeals for greater responsibilty from the landlord, and the PREVIEW button is for us to take a look and be ready to take the consequences. Happy postings.

CSH, maybe the right word is "memperguna" :)

I sense a concerted effort by the newspapers to "demonize" your site to get the print & pubs act extended to cover internet media.

I believe Mr Guna is just putting himself forward as a test case to see how far the Govt will go in enforcing the Act.

Keep your eyes peeled. More to come, I'm sure a.k.a. posturing.

James Wong Wing-On blogged this in his weblog “Freedom in Solidarity” in the post titled "Mr. Gunasegaram, please shoot me down now".

http://jameswongwingon-online.blogspot.com/2006/08/mr-gunasegaram-please-shoot-me-down.html

James Wong says he is a public critic of Tun Dr Mahathir when the Tun was PM, but during all that 22 years, he had never heard of P. Gunasegaram in the camp of Tun’s critics in the public domain.

James wrote: “But, after Tun is no more in power, P. Gunasegaram has suddenly - hey presto!- become one of the most vocal anti-Mahathir 'hero'. Well, I may be wrong in my recollection (and, unfortunately, I am unable to read Tamil newspapers). Prove me wrong and shoot me down then.”

Poor Guna. Apala guna perkara macam tu pun nak kecoh.

shoot me too la. hahahaah

may be with this action, The sun will get more revenue from GLC like when the critics Mahathir. :)

I say, jolly good apology.

Guna is riding on the crest of the blogger-bashing mood the PM is firing up.

A blogger is not a machine who sits at his server 24x7; in this case, he's a working family man who's been villified before through no fault of his own. He doesn't deserve to be pilloried like this for taking the initiative to provide a platform for discussions of national issues by the very people affected by them in this country,the same rakyat who do not have the privilege of writing instantly to the mainstream media without prejudicial editing.

The most natural thing that the complainant could have done was to (a) sound the blogger that something was amiss with one of the postings, and (b) provide his own response to that posting in the same thread topic of the blog.

Taken in context, he should have asked himself whether the suggestion of the poster would have been taken seriously by anyone, given the importance of what he (the complainant) had written, unless in the first place he didn't himself think what he had written was important per se.

Context, intention, common sense and a more progressive stance are the only ways forward.

How else can we become better than the present situation in this country where it is understood the student bled to death because the clinic doctor didn't want to heed the pleas of the residents to come out of the clinic to attend to him?

What have become of us all, a gungho word and they fall over one another while a life ebbs away and all they do was sit and talk?

Should i stop defending this country the next time someone says it has become a mental asylum?

Jeff is entitled to his opinion and so Guna. When it comes to debate of a subject, personal attack should be avoided. When you said “ shoot “, you show no respect to an individual, a typical behavior of a bully trying to take the upper hand of the situation; to win an argument by undermining a person first.

Guna is entitled to make a complaint and made an issue out of it. Otherwise, the bud will never be nipped. That explains the culture of bullying and violence is being developed in our society. A small boy got bullied in a school, he does not or dare not complain to the authority, or the authority never nips the bud. The snow effect finally leads to a disaster and the whole society cries out. Same thing to the snatch thief’s problem, the complainants got no way and the police never nip the bud and finally it becomes a big social problem.

In this case, llmran made a blunder, he apologized, and Jeff was quick to nip the bud by settling the issue. That appears to be a good model which is an essential factor for an educated society.

Guna reminds me of situation of someone literally translate a subtitle...during a shooting scene, someone yells "Duck!"...and I am sure Guna will translate it to "Itik!"

Is Guna doing this because there is not enough traffic on his blog(if he has a blog)? If Guna wants traffic all he needs to do is cakap saje - we can all go his his blog everyday & write 's...t' - hey 's...t' can also mean 'shout'! Like I said mate, the PEN, in this case the KEYBOARD, is mightier than the Media Act & all that etc. Fret not Jeff, WE, the Bloggers of planet Earth are right behind YOU! AMEN.

Dear llmran

I read your email to Jeff Ooi and am touched by your words:

"...I am sincerely asking for your forgiveness for the mishaps I have brought stricken onto you and readers of Screenshots."

I am reminded of a comment I posted a few weeks ago in Jeff Ooi’s blog as well as Dato’ A Kadir Jasin’s blog. My family criticized me for not showing respect when I wrote about the PM. Dato' AKJ also commented that I lost my cool and felt it was disrespectful to post my comment so that we do not treat the PM like the way The Edge treated the Tun.

It took me several hours before I was willing to say, "I’m sorry."

At first I was angry with my family. I said something like: "Even people with titles and in high places do not apologize."

They responded: "Forget what others do. We do what is right."

Later, Jeff Ooi wrote “Strong Ego vs Big Ego”: http://www.jeffooi.com/2006/07/big_ego_strong_ego.php

Today, I’m thankful to my family for constantly reminding and criticizing me.

Today, I’m glad to say this: “llmran, I salute your Strong Ego!”

Err...Jeff would know better that plenty a times...he has been shot at countless nos. of times...by great nos. of people...

Where we come from...Orchi was being shot at too...by people taking pot shots at Orchi...all the times.

IMOP...P. Gunasegaram just wants a louder name for himself...out of nothing really...

But IF he doesn't like what he is hearing here...

He is welcomed to take a shot at Orchi..."shoot Orchi...!!!"

Dear IImran...you are a straight shooter...do stick to your *ahem*...don't let go!

"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." ~ Evelyn Beatrice Hall (often misattributed to Voltaire)

While it is true there is no evidence that Voltaire wrote/spoke those words, be aware that Jeff does not like nitpicking, particularly nits of his own.

There is a remarkable degree of latitude and tolerance for inaccuracies being practised on Jeff's blog.

I love the origin of the word police posted here previously. Hilarious.