Screenshots: Umno Youth's Schindler's List

July 29, Bernama reported that Umno Youth will release a list of brands and international companies with operations in Malaysia that are known to be supporting the Israeli regime financially.

Umno Youth deputy chief Khairy Jamaluddin said the movement Friday received an e-mail on an international coffee shop chain allegedly supporting Israel and sending funds to the zionist regime. He said if there was truth to the claim, the people must be told so they could make their own assessment whether they wanted to continue supporting the company which has a chain of shops in the country.

So, we'll have an Umno version of Schindler's List if its deputy youth chief had his way.

But after reading blogs by Aisehman and Rocky's Bru, I hope these Umnoputras are not shooting themselves on the head.

Let me tell you why.

1993's seven Oscar-Awards winner, Schindler's List, was initially banned for viewing in Malaysia because of its theme that portrays the true story of Czech-born Oskar Schindler, a glorious but greedy Austrian-German businessman who tried to make his fortune during the Second World War by exploiting cheap Jewish labour.

However, Schindler ended up penniless by becoming an unlikely humanitarian amid the barbaric Nazi reign when he felt compelled to turn his factory into a refuge for Jews. Eventually, he created a list of over 1,100 Jews -- hence Schindler's List -- whom he saved from being gassed at the Auschwitz concentration camp.

The movie was directed by Steven Spielberg, a Jew and a multiple award-winning film auteur.

In Malaysia of 1993, when it was initially banned, we had Anwar Ibrahim, dubbed Umno's Renaissance Man at that time, reversed the ban of the film by ordering a few cuts of several graphic segments. However, the movie was ultimately not distributed in Malaysia as Spielberg would only sanction its screening in its entirety.

And history also has it that Anwar has since fallen from mainstream politics and people rarely talk about Malaysia's renaissance man nowadays.

The Jewish Connection

Thirteen years later, Khairy has no doubt, with the help of Jalan Riong spin-doctors, risen as Umno's future who would reform the party and the larger Malaysia. The latest we have read from the mainstream media -- the information channel that the Prime Minister asked us to rely on -- is that the son-in-law has now declared total war on the Israeli Jews.

This 30-year-old shareholder of ECM-Libra, now enlarged to ECM-Libra Avenue Berhad, also asked Malaysians "whether they wanted to continue supporting the coffee company -- which allegedly supports Israel financially by sending funds to the zionist regime -- which has a chain of shops in the country".

If you follow the trail, this budak is actually asking Malaysians if they wanted to continue supporting ECM-Libra, which has since 'swallowed' the larger Avenue Capital Resources, the GLC that Pantai Holdings Berhad has significant stakes in.

Though the ECM-Libra/Avenue 'merger' was completed in June 2006, the Public Audit Committee (PAC) of the Parliament is instituting an investigation on the ECM-Libra/Avenue deal on August 10.

Now, the delicate issue to Umno Youth's Schindler's List is the allegation that Pantai Holdings also has dubious links to substantial Jewish interests.

The lightning rod takes the form of significant stakes Pantai Holdings currently has in ECM-Libra Avenue, while Pantai's controlling shareholder and parent company, Parkway Holdings of Singapore, has divested its shares significantly to a known Zionist financier in the United States.

Zionist financier Richard Blum (picture left) and Jewish lobbyist Dianne Feinstein, dubbed Di-Fi

From information culled from the public domain, Singapore's Parkway Holdings has sold a major part of its shareholdings, as at March 2006, to American Richard Blum, a known Zionist financier.

Go ask any Americans knowledgeable in partisan politics, and they will tell you Blum's wife is US Senator Dianne Feinstein, dubbed Di-Fi, who is widely known to be a fierce Jewish lobbyist.

There are more corporate trails to this, elsewhere in this blog entry.

In the equation, as a subsidiary to Singapore's Parkway, Malaysia's Pantai contributes significant revenues -- including profit-and-loss derived from its shareholding in ECM-Libra Avenue -- to parent company Parkway; and Parkway, in turn, shares profits and dividends with the significant Jewish investors from the US..

If Parkway is the gravy train to enrich Zionist coffers, our Pantai will be a luxury coach that runs along the same rail-track, sapping elixir coming from ECM-Libra Avenue as its strategic investor.

While legally the conscience may be clear, morally and ethically, we need a convincing explanation for all this.

The Khairy-ECM-Libra-Avenue Capital Resource-Pantai Nexus

Closer to to home, you need look no further than Bursa Malaysia for the finger prints.

In Point 22 of the condensed consolidated income statement, the quarterly report, for the financial period ended June 30, 2006 of Pantai Holdings Berhad released through Bursa Malaysia on July 26, 2006, it is stated that the Singapore-owned company is effectively a significant stakeholder in ECM-Libra Avenue Berhad.

However, Pantai Holdings Bhd's net profit fell 38% to RM27.06 million in the 12-month period ended June 30, 2006 from RM43.54 million previously, and it attributed it mainly due to "the reorganisation and merger exercise of Avenue Capital Resources Bhd (ACRB) that was completed in June 2006.

As a result, Pantai declared a fourth interim dividend of 2% less tax totalling about RM6.7 million. The Edge Financial Daily, on July 27, also reported based on the disclosure to Bursa Malaysia, that the merger between ECM Libra Bhd and Avenue Capital Resources, Pantai booked an impairment loss of RM23.4 million and a subsequent net loss of RM12.98 million in the fourth quarter ended June 30.

Look into this PDF (1.7Mb), you will see Pantai saying its investment in Avenue Capital Resources had been reclassified to other investments and no longer deemed to be an associated company.

In other words, until further notice of equity disposal, Pantai will continue to own significant shares in the merged entity of the ECM-Libra/Avenue Capital Resource, who is also partly-owned by the Umno Youth deputy chief.

The Pantai-Parkway Singapore Nexus

As at September 20, 2005, Pantai Holdings Berhad, which also holds strategic control of Fomema's medical database of immigrant workers in Malaysia, became a subsidiary of Parkway Holdings Singapore. The acquisition of the controlling stake in Pantai was announced on this date. See PDF evidence.

The Parkway acquisition of the Pantai stakes was conducted via the holdings company's subsidiary Parkway Heathcare Group Pte Ltd via a new subsidiary Swiss Zone Sdn Bhd. For the record, Swiss Zone was incorporated in Malaysia for a paid-up capital of RM2.00. See PDF evidence.

On September 13, 2005, Parkway announced that Swiss Zone has purchased 35 million shares of RM1.00 each for the capital of Pantai Holdings, representing approximately 8.80% of the issued and paid up capital of Pantai, in an off-market transaction.

On the other hand, Swiss Zone has also entered into a share sale agreement with Malaysian Lim Tong Yong @ Lim Tong Yaim, to purchase from the latter 89.7 million ordinary shares of RM1.00 each in the capital of Pantai, representing approximately 22.54% of the issued and paid up capital in Pantai, and 24.3 million warrants 2006/2007 issued by Pantai, representing roughly 36.27% of the outstanding warrants issued by Pantai.

In other words, as at September 20, 2005, Parkway has amassed an aggregate of 124.7 million shares in the capital of Pantai, representing rough 31.34% of the issued and paid-up capital of the Malaysian company. This is in addition to the 24.3 million warrants 2006/2007 issued by Pantai, representing roughly 36.27% of the outstanding warrants issued by Pantai.

The acquisition cost Swiss Zone RM311.58 million paid entirely in cash.

The Parkway-Blum Nexus

It is noted that as at March 2, 2006, shareholding interests in Parkway linked to Zionist financier Richard Blum totalled 624 million shares.

SOURCE: Parkway Holdings website

According to disclosure published on Parkway website, Blum Capital Partners, L.P. -- of which Richard Blum is the chairman -- controlled 208,107,988 deemed shareholdings in Parkway, while Blum G.A. III, LLC has an additional 208,107,988 deemed shareholdings and the third trunch of 208,107,988 deemed shareholdings in Parkway were held via Blum Investment Partners, Inc.

Famous last words

In the final analysis, looking at the intricate web sourrounding Parkway Holdings, that links it to Jewish interests as shareholders, and its controlling stake in Pantai Holdings and its indirect shareholdings in the enlarged ECM-Libra Avenue Berhad -- which Khairy Jamaluddin co-owns, not to mention Kalimullah Masheerul Hassan as its significant shareholder -- it might not be smart afterall for Umno Youth to go ahead with its proposed Malaysian version of the analogical Schindler's List.

Looking at the facts, Umno's supposed reincarnation of the Renaissance Man may be shooting himself on the head.

Why not, instead, we join the world community in ending the current killings of Labanonese and Jewish civilians -- caused by the warring Israel and Hezbollah militancy -- through the voices of genuine humanitarian compassion?

Why not we look at this globalised world in a different light. A lot of foreign investments in Malaysia have created job opportunities for our people, helping our domestic economy to grow. It may boomerang on ourselves if we start witch-hunting for the corporate links to their global umbilical cords.

In this age of global economy, what good does it serve by getting Malaysians on a ride of navel-gazing?

Comments

Don't you just love the WWW? I bet stuff like this would have taken a while to research if you literally had to "follow the paper trail"...
Looks like KJ just threw out a boomerang..

Posted by: Mithos | July 31, 2006 01:21 PM

this is what happens when the person does not use his brain to think... imagine how pak lah face the malaysians now... when his son-in-law do this kind of shamefull stuffs...

Posted by: wklim79 | July 31, 2006 01:24 PM

Opps, one broken rice bowl ...

Posted by: mageP23 | July 31, 2006 01:26 PM

kakaka, Jeff aren't afraid of being invited to starbucks or pantai by posting this entry?

Posted by: JL | July 31, 2006 01:26 PM

maybe when we visit any fast food restyron or medical centre we better ask for authenticated that no Jewsih shareholders are on their boards -- "Can I have a VIP air-conditoned lounge while I wait, Miss/Mister Khairy Airie-Fairie?"

Did I hear Donald Trump whisper: 'NO BRAINER!'?

Posted by: desiderata | July 31, 2006 01:34 PM

of course this ECB case will not report by our reliable mainstream media

Posted by: skyboy | July 31, 2006 01:43 PM

I wonder how the umno youth can look up to such a person like KJ if not for his r/ship with AAB.

Again his mouth moved faster than his brain. Good now go tell the FAM that they need not have the support of MILO anymore. Go ask PowerRoot Tongkat Ali to sponsor My TEam.

KJ, jangan cakap tak serupa bikin. Dont let anyone catches u using any products from USA.

Posted by: groo | July 31, 2006 01:50 PM

Jeff, there is a typing error.
the statement released through Bursa Malaysia should read 26 July, 2006 and not 2007.
Excellent stuff, though
KSN

Posted by: ksn | July 31, 2006 01:51 PM

looking at the list, its pretty much everything we use daily....I wonder what phone he is using?
Can you imagine if all the office workers turn up and said" i can not touch the computer because its running on Intel."?????
This is a case of little boys should not play with fire.
I pity the Oxford grads.....

Posted by: nyc | July 31, 2006 02:03 PM

Sigh, here we go again. Seriously Malaysia should really try to solve its own problems first before poking its nose into other people's affairs.

Ask him to stop wearing 2-piece suits then. They're Western clothing. How's that?

Posted by: JDream | July 31, 2006 02:16 PM

I bet you he will outdo his other counterparts by donning sarong next. All he wants is the publicity.

Posted by: groo | July 31, 2006 02:18 PM

hmmmm ... boomberang indeed. Don't we have a saying that if you point a finger to someone, more fingers will point back to you?

what about the famous, world largest semiconductor company? they have a very large operation over here while fabrication is done in Israel and elsewhere. I bet more jobs loss than proton if they close down including the vendors.

i'd say that the pup is still wet behind the ears.

peace

Posted by: pengembara | July 31, 2006 02:24 PM

FOLKS

I think the campaign is targeting STARBUCKS.

Read here below

http://www.inminds.co.uk/boycott-starbucks.html

Howard Shultz, the chairman of Starbucks is an active zionist.

In 1998 he was honoured by the Jerusalem Fund of Aish HaTorah with "The Israel 50th Anniversary Friend of Zion Tribute Award" for his services to the zionist state in "playing a key role in promoting close alliance between the United States and Israel". The Jerusalem Fund of Aish HaTorah funds israeli arms fairs chaired by the butcher of Jenin - General Shaul Mofaz, and the zionist propaganda website honestreporting.com.[1]

Howard Shultz,
Chairman of Starbucks

His work as a propagandist for Israel has been praised by the Israeli Foreign Ministry as being key to Israel's long-term PR success [2].

Recently whilst the Israeli army was slaughtering Palestinians in Jenin, Nabulus and Bethlehem he made a provocative speech blaming the Palestinians of terrorism, suggesting the intifada was a manifestation of anti- Semitism, and asked people to unite behind Israel [3].

At a time when other businesses were desperately pulling out of Israel, Starbucks decided to help Israel's floundering economy and invest in Israel - a joint venture with Israeli conglomerate Delek Group for Starbucks outlets in Israel ( Shalom Coffee Co).[4][5][6]. A bad business decision - Starbucks made heavy losses and in April 2003 Starbucks were forced to announced that all 6 Starbucks cafes in Israel will be shut down and its partnership with Delek end.[14]

It has been revealed that Starbucks still continues to support Israel by sponsoring fund raisers for Israel.[15]

See [11] for suggested action against Starbucks..

Oxfam has misguidedly partnered with Starbucks in return for £100,000 - please support our "Campaign Against Oxfam Agreement with Starbucks".

Starbucks fully supports Bush's war of terror and has opened a Starbucks in Afghanistan for the US invaders - they like to do there bit to help the occupation.[17]

Posted by: Frank&Honest | July 31, 2006 02:32 PM

"it might not be smart afterall for Umno Youth to go ahead with its proposed Malaysian version of the analogical Schindler's List.

Looking at the facts, Umno's supposed reincarnation of the Renaissance Man may be shooting himself on the head"

On the contrary this play to UMNO hands perfectly. Ceratian quarters in Malaysia have always been unhappy about Parkway acquisition of Pantai. My prediction one of Malaysian companies most probably GLC will acquire Pantai from Parkway and make Umno look like hero to the common folks

Posted by: zagato | July 31, 2006 03:22 PM

I think it is appropriate to distinguish between Jews and Zionists. They are not the same.

OK to protest against Israel as the Zionist state but the moment Jews are being referred to, we are entering racist territory.

But I suppose that is too fine a distinction beyond KJ and Pemuda UMNO to grasp.

Posted by: CSH | July 31, 2006 03:59 PM

Hmmm.. I could be wrong.. spotted Austin Chase Coffee outlet at the Monsoon Cup in Terengganu.. Wonder who owns the franchise.. It needs a boost in clientle??
Cheers

Posted by: Scully | July 31, 2006 04:13 PM

CSH

I fully agree with you on the need for Malaysians to distinguish between Zionists and Jews. More specificaly between Zionism and Judaism.

Read this link which belonged to one group of Orthodox Jews called Neturei Karta.

http://www.nkusa.org/

Who are these group of orthodox Jews who reject the existence of Israel and who support the Palestinians. Read Here:

http://www.nkusa.org/aboutus/index.cfm

Read here on how the religious Jews distinguish between Judaism and Zionism. This is better explained by Jews themselves instead of by Gentiles.

http://www.nkusa.org/aboutus/whatzionism.cfm

The Israeli lobby and the western media controlled by the Zionists are trying to marginalise these groups but they send out bulk emails, and go onto the streets of New York, Londa etc against Israeli attacks on Palestinians.

Hope above helps.

Posted by: Frank&Honest | July 31, 2006 04:35 PM

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Posted by: Frank&Honest | July 31, 2006 04:39 PM

The latest Intel release, Conroe & Merom processor, are designed in Israel. What should we do? Stick back to 32 bit processors?

BTW, Motorola has design center in Israel too...

Posted by: yxgs | July 31, 2006 04:43 PM

Hmmm.... guessed Khairy has to asked his company to remove all software products by Microsoft (Windows and stuffs) and IBM (Linux, Unix, Lotus, etc) because Microsoft and IBM also invested in the development of Israel. I bet he and his colleagues have to revert back to pen and papers for all their paperwork! Khairy, you can start writing boycott letters to all your vendors and customers.

Mr Khairy, to show your sincerity, why don't you start with your very own company first! Let's call it phase I of your protest. If you have succeeded phase I, we will consider going ahead with phase II. How's that?

Posted by: streetz | July 31, 2006 04:44 PM

Donald Trump,"Khairy, YOU ARE FIRED!" Go back to be an apprentice and learn from your FIL.

Posted by: cyleow | July 31, 2006 05:09 PM

More like KJ is lobbying to become the next PM, gaining support and assests.

Heard JB will be the next Cyberjaya or Hong Kong, better start buying property there before this people do.

Posted by: tiredguy | July 31, 2006 05:19 PM

I am still puzzle why people keep using the word "Zionist". Soon after Yesser Arafat recognise Israel in 1993, Zionism is a historic terms.

Most country that are not within the Israel/Palestein territories still using the word "Zionist" to denied the status of the country. Even worst, they are just ride on on other people blood for their pathetic political view.

Posted by: moo_t | July 31, 2006 06:00 PM

Ha Ha. As suspected Keju aka KJ is some how linked. So KJ janganlah meludah ke langit. are you going to employ all this people that will be out of a job. Some are 30 and still living hand to mouth unlike you, a big time investment banker, multi millionaire.

Jeff, well said. There are better ways to stop this war than boycotting etc.

Posted by: rocky | July 31, 2006 06:20 PM

Sorry Jeff,
I have to say this.
The amount of pro jewish comments on the blog and the earlier blog entry on IFC confirmed my suspicion. National integration is a dream that could never be achieved because the minorities seems to have different views and aspirations from majority. What do you do if you are a majority? Answer is simple- Maintain status quo

Posted by: zagato | July 31, 2006 06:24 PM

zagato,

Are you saying any changes brought will only make matter worse and the only solution is maintain the status quo? But isn't the status quo seems to breed people who wants to make things worse and the only solution is reform? But reform means change and by your logic it will only get worse not better? And my head is exploding right now. Your logic baffles me and you are only appealing to people's fear of the worse.

I would like to know in whose crystal ball are you looking into that deems any changes to the status quo will get worse?

Whats wrong with pro-Jewish views anyway? Whats wrong with having different views?

Unless your national integration dream consist of people having the same thoughts and views? If so, thats horrid cause thats the hallmark of a totalitarian country. I won't want to live in a country like that.

Posted by: |^2SaNe| | July 31, 2006 07:49 PM

Jeff way back in 1980 when I was in good ole England I learnt that all that fire and brimstone against Jews and anything Jewish is set aside when an opportunity arises for the guy to sleep with a Jewess. So you got to see ECM-Libra in that light and you'rr see that it is quite acceptable for all that rhetoric, UMNO Youth will only sing praises if Khairy is caught sleeping with a Jewess! Same with business!

Posted by: Observer | July 31, 2006 08:14 PM

zagato
I dont want Malaysian to be under totalitarian and I dont want Malaysia to be pro Israel (because of their show of might with their neighbour) and also I dont like what the IFC is doing.Where does that put me? Status quo too?

Posted by: tiredguy | July 31, 2006 08:46 PM

zagato,
Just because someone disagrees with the method, it does not mean that they disagree with the intrinsic message. I did not hear pro-jew, as much as 'Turn on your brain before you speak!' and 'Protest wisely. - don't alienate others who may agree with your message but don't back you up because they don't like the way you say it'

Posted by: LLtwigs | July 31, 2006 08:48 PM

The biggest mistake that people make is that they assumed changes are always for the better. You can see many example in history as well as in life. Some society work better with totalitarian rule others thrive on democracy. But the biggest danger is too assume that all societies work best under the same set of systems like democracy. People talk about religious fanatics but never talk about democracy fanatics. Democracy fanatics are just as dangerous as religious fanatics. Because in case some of you forget, it is in the name of democracy that recent invasions of countries are justified.

Is totalitarian bad? Look at Singapore. Is democracy fantastic? Look at phillipine

Posted by: zagato | August 1, 2006 12:03 AM

What's wrong with being pro-jewish? Or is it being pro-zionist? There is some tendency in the world and you can see this especially clear in Singapore. To those who want to stay competitive and win in this modern world, one has to really leave the 'conventional' thinking, and brace the critical factor. Singapore (LKY) chooses to ally with Israel because he knows that Israel together with USA now effectively rules the world - whether you like it or not, this is very clear. So by joining in the 'league', they can together prosper, modernise, dominate etc. Forget about Sabra and Shatilla, and the recent Lebanon bombings - it is what infront of you that matters for God doesn't really matter.

And I do agree that it is important to differentiate between Jewish and Zionist, but you also have to know that the Jew who opposes Israel foundation is considered as heretical and minority. Read this: majority of Jew do support Israel full-heartedly, even though some of them chose not to live there for obvious reason.

And regarding the ban for goods related to Israel, I say go for it wholeheartedly. It is not possible to cover all brands - but it is not an excuse not to do at all. For a start dont go to Starbuck for a cup of cofee; go to your other favorite kopitiam which is cheaper mah..

Posted by: syedhs | August 1, 2006 01:35 AM

zagato - Is totalitarian bad?

Well, I don't know if it's bad but I know I don't want to live like an obedient dog, in which I couldn't express my views when I think it's wrong.

By the way, in case you've mistaken, I'm not a pro-Jew. Don't get confused with the pro-jews and those who have different views on Khairy's action.

Please don't simply make assumptions.

Posted by: streetz | August 1, 2006 02:00 AM

The biggest mistake that people make is that they assumed changes are always for the better. You can see many example in history as well as in life.

Noone is assuming by changing things it will always be better. There is always a 50/50 chance that things can get worse. But by preserving the status quo, it will never get better. Things can never fix themselves. There is only a chance that it will only get worse. Which choice would you rather have? For me, I would choose reform. At least we have a chance that we can fix things.

Some society work better with totalitarian rule others thrive on democracy. But the biggest danger is too assume that all societies work best under the same set of systems like democracy.

Is totalitarian bad? Yes. History have shown us. It never work in the past, it will never work now.

Is democracy all that good? Let me quote from Winston Churchill: "Democracy is a very bad form of government. Unfortunately all the others are so much worse"

Why would I support democracy? Its most obvious benefits is that I can vote the current government out when it goes bad or at least have the means to fix it. In a totalitarian government, the only avenue is through death and blood. Not a pretty picture.

People talk about religious fanatics but never talk about democracy fanatics. Democracy fanatics are just as dangerous as religious fanatics.

Any extreme into anything is always bad. But that doesn't justify anything. I'm not sure what are you trying to point out.

Because in case some of you forget, it is in the name of democracy that recent invasions of countries are justified.

Recent invasion? I assume you're talking about Iraq and Afghanistan? The Taliban refuse to stop giving safe havens for terrorist group such as Al Qaeda in Afghanistan. The US took that excuse to invade that country. Iraq? I believe the reason was WMDs and we all know that was a bunch of lies in the end. However, to say these recent invasion is in the name of democracy is outright misleading. Beside, there are bunch of terrorist blowing up people in the name of Islam. Does that mean they are fighting for Islam? Does that means its justified?

I'm not sure why you would say Singapore is a totalitarian country. I believe they are a republic and they could vote out the current governement if they want to. Just that the Singaporeans believe the status quo is better. Don't know much about Philipine so I can't comment about it.

Posted by: |^2SaNe| | August 1, 2006 03:33 AM

Not making the distinction between Jews and Zionists is no difference from equating Chinese with communists back in the 60s.

Posted by: CSH | August 1, 2006 09:03 AM

Hi Jeff,
I noticed there was a slight error in your article. You mentioned that Oscar Schindler is a German businessman when he should have been an Austrian. Check it out here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oscar_Schindler

Just want to set the record straight.
Have a nice day.

JEFF OOI says: Sorry I made a mistake. Thanks for correcting me.

Posted by: ordinaryperson | August 1, 2006 09:40 AM

For those who think we should boycott the Jews/Israelis - what if the US starts to boycott our palm oil because we are pro-Palestinians/Lebanese? Or what if the head of Intel is a Jew (hypothetical)? We ask them to leave Penang?

Posted by: JacknJill | August 1, 2006 11:33 AM

JacknJill

I think you got the argument wrong.

The issue is targetting those who supported Israel's aggressive policies on its neighbours.

Even among the Jewish diaspora, there are many who are not happy or angry with the Zionists controlling the fate of Israel.

You need to distinguish the Zionists among Jews, also there are Zionists among Christians, who support the policies of Israel BLINDLY.

Anti-Israel does NOT equate being anti-Jews.

The word anti-semitic had been hijacked. Arabs are of semitic origin. "Anti-semitic" would include anti-Arab.

Just like the word Holocaust, the Zionists had claimed monopoly of the word from the English language.

Posted by: Frank&Honest | August 1, 2006 12:23 PM

It is important to distinguish a Zionist and a Jew. In my travels, as well as experience living in the US, most Jews are extremely friendly, helpful people and you'd be surprised at the support the Palestinian cause has amongst them. But their voices not heard, because of more vocal support from the opposite faction, or the lack of coverage given by the media.

What zagato pointed out is true in some ways, there is a great misalignment in how the majority and minority communities view things, including the Palestinian Israeli conflict. This misalignment can lead to resentment, disagreement, as can be seen now, where there are those who are trying to liberalised the country, and those who wants the status quo to remain. Unless theres engagement by both parties, the status quo will remain.

I also second his motion that the different societies work better with different forms of government. Democracy works well only if the population is mature in its thinking, educated and are able to debate in a civilised manner. It doesn't work well in a society where standards of education is low, where debates can't be held with civility etc. History has shown many cases of other forms of successful governments, from monarchies, to totilatarian rules. Democracy is not the answer to everything.

Posted by: alfabob | August 1, 2006 06:24 PM

If we extrapolate this argument far enough, we should be able to find good about political systems like apartheid.

Democratic principles should be seen as a failsafe device against abuses and mistakes. Democracy might have its defects and weaknesses (which can be considered as insurance premium) but it is preferred to the risks of ending up with a government which cannot be gotten rid off without bloodshed and violence.

Posted by: CSH | August 2, 2006 10:23 AM

A totalitarian government is a system that actively promotes facism, cronyism, corruption and a police/military state. These are the only ills I can think of right but I'm sure I can list more if I dig deeper.

The only 2 reason I could think of why would one suggest such a government are:

1)They believe the state government will always act on the people best interest which in reality, it doesn't.

2)They believe their rights/views are the best/right and willingly trample the view/rights of others

And openly suggesting that every society has a government that fits it while ignoring the details are naive at best.

Posted by: |^2SaNe| | August 2, 2006 03:03 PM

check out the comments from pro israel from the real pro israel.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3285678,00.html

just sharing.nice pic PM shaking hands with Iran PM.

Posted by: tiredguy | August 3, 2006 09:38 PM

ALLEGEDLY, TERRORISTS AND FUNDAMENTALIST ISLAMISTS OBTAIN MALAYSIAN PASSPORTS AND VISAS TO SEVERAL COUNTRIES

As quoted by the World Jewish News Agency at:

http://www.worldjewishnewsagency.org/world6.htm

Posted by: Kelembai | August 5, 2006 09:24 AM

They have never think of the rammifications of Boycott backfiring, take for instance:

The Rest of The World Boycott MALAYSIAN Products.

As expected, the Blind leading the Blind.

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