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What a hypocrite. If you really feel so strongly about this, then break all ties with the US, stop dressing up in western clothes, and stop dealing with US sympathisers like Singapore. Unfortunately the mainstream press will no doubt make you out to be a local hero.

this is what we call KURANG AJAR. Where did he learn his manners from? Barging in like a bunch of monkeys. What a shame for AAB to hv such a SIL who cant think straight. AAB shld apologise to Dr Rice for he has failed to restraint his dog and put him on a leash. Speaking of which, how come monkeys can do such things while peaceful demostrators are being shot at with water cannons and tear gas? Why the FRU ran out of stock ah? Burning flags and chanting slogans and remarks no use. Just buy a one way ticket into Lebanon and I will salute u. But we know that u r just a whole bag of air.

Even giving Khairy the benefit of the doubt - that his actions are bona-fide expressions of anger at Israel's actions - he remains the PM's son-in-law.

As such, even though he has every right to have his own opinions and feelings which may or may not be in line with the stance of the PM and M'sian govt, he must think carefully about what he does, And what those he associates with do.

I think I would go as far as saying that burning an effigy of Rice and beating an effigy of President Bush with sticks are within limits. But burning US flags are not.

Hence, whether Khairy is or is not guilty of some pancing brownie-points wayang as some allege, I think he should still be mindful of his link to the PM, and act accordingly.

The MSM news editors must be having a dilemma yesterday. Depends on which MSM they belong to, of course.

If your surname is Wong, of course you stand on the fence; you feature both!

Well, if you're from the 4th floor, there's no doubt anymore. You put it as 'farcical argument between two groups of his supporters' (read: faction within group) and 'fast (action) and furious (of the attack)'. AND you portray someone as a hero.

A Little Bird told me that some group of bloggers had dinner with the HERO? Any heads-up?

I've blogged more about it here.
;)

If En Khairy was draped in a Malaysian flag, I think it is a disgrace to the flag.

In the most recent altercations between Israel and Hezbollah and Hamas, it has been widely reported that the initiators of the conflict were Hamas and Hezbollah and depending on what you read, they have even acknowledged this.

So, En Khairy should focus his energy towards finding a solution for all parties in the Middle East. If he can achieve this, he can be a towering world statesman.

If he just wants to make noises here, there and everywhere, please do not humiliate the rest of us Malaysians.

I am sure his father-in-law has already expressed Malaysia's stand to Ms Rice. No need to be so drama, lah.

I dont remember The Star nor NST gv the peaceful demo during the recent oil price hike the headlines. Here we hv a bunch of inepts taking the haedlines and bringing shame to Msia. Is this gonna be our future leader? By doing such things, can we the rakyat in return burn UMNO, PAS, MCA, DAP, etc flags to voice our dissatisfaction? What sort of message is this Youth leader showing us? Can we blame the UPM students for behaving likewise? Monkey see, monkey do. And how come when the mob got rowdy and was pushing their way thru the FRU didnt whack them as they did during the oil price hike? This group was much worse and yet they got off lightly and was reported that they got their way thru. FRU shld omit the R in their name. Cos they r there mainly to screw with u and i, the plain joes of the community and gv preferential treatment to those privileged few.

KJ, u r a disgrace. Why dont u and gang show up at Osama's door steps and protest during their acts of terrorism around the world? Are those justified?

This is the best photo opportunity for Khairy, the protest and flag burning is just the built up. The real dramatic scene was when he got the chance to play hero and barged himself in screaming and chanting like monkey. Everyone knows Khairy did it for the publicity for himself in the eyes of local and foreign press. Look at his face and we know there is no sincerity, a lot of farce. His Pemuda boss is no where in sight. He thought by barging in and screaming Rice to get out of the country will help the Lebanese and strike fear to the Israelis? Get real Khairy, this is B grade sandiwara. His action plan reflected his immaturity in handling serious matters, he is more of a popularity seeker. If this Khairy ambition to become the youngest PM of Malaysia, we have real reason to be worried.

KJ should have protested and demo at the Parliment house to object the government's invitation to Rice. And please remind this nitwit that he is not speaking on behalf of all Malaysians...I welcome Rice as all other guest of Malaysia!!

KJ...if you are reading this...all I can say is that you are a moron!!!

Rice was a guest of your FIL's government and you asked her to get out?

Are you really an oxford grad? Or was it really Irish International University?

Shameless creature seeking attention and trying to create drama. Pooodah!

KJ,

I hope the US revokes your visa permanently.

this type of confrontation action only speaks of the low level of mentality among the young UMNOputras...

Why don't they protest when their leaders go to Singapore to play golf?
Why don't they protest when their leaders go to Perth to have a small operation and fishing by the Swan Lake?

Why don't they go play golf in Lebanon or fishing near Haifa?

since when did we allow this idiot to speak on our behalf? it's a slap to his FIL's face to have his guest being treated like that. And I am really ashamed to have the other Youth members of other BN component parties to have joined him in such a blatant publicity stunt.

Condi Rice was probably up there looking down and saw a small boy throwing tantrums.

Hah! she is far better than him.

wow. Really biadap....and highly emotional. Very embarrassing for the country.

There is a real crisis going on in Lebanon and some people can only see political opportunity for themselves.

'From the people of Malaysia, we do not welcome you here...'

Who gave him the right to represent the people of Malaysia? KJ needs to remind himself that he does not even represent an electoral constituency much less the country.

His bad behaviour bodes ill for the future generation and it would be no surprise if other world leaders shun Malaysia for this reason.

BTW, I wonder if KJ realised that he and his goons had just insulted the whole people of USA, whether or not they agree with their government's Middle East policy, by burning the US flag.

Jeff. You're being mean. I am sure at 30 years old, his hingus has all dried up. Unless he's got a bad case of sinus or flu.

Not sure if he is a man, yet, you know?

Lama dah kawin kan? Tak keluar anak lagi??? Family planning kot.

Disbelief, when I saw the way KJ was ranting away like a mad man on tv last night.

And yes..the police..why did not they use the water cannon to disperse the rowdy protest?

And shame on the father in law..he had a guest...and the son in law choose to be rude to his guest. How FIL allow that.???

Stupid stupid..

what israel is doing in Lebanon is wrong. To protest again that, well I support.

But to KJ to lead the protest, well it just takes away some of the noble cause away from that protest. KJ our Singapore international school educated we all knowis seeking publicity like how he jumped into his MIL grave in front of TV cameras. He is not a kampung boy on top of it. as for sending him a memo, well KJ you could have passed it to FIL te night before.

KJ time you took a break from Msian politics with that sling in tow. Is that arm injury real.Pooohdah!!!

UMNO Youth get another person to lead you!!!

My opinion of Khairy just went down the tubes. For an Oxford grad he can be surprisingly unobjective. Blame Rice and the US - while leaving out Hezbollah. All parties in the middle east - Arabs, Israelis are guilty to some extent. For him to just focus on the US is pathetic. If he was just trying to garner support, well I must say, he must be grasping for straws if he has to stoop this low.

Khairy is young, he can't hold his horses. What a waste! What a OxFart product. But he is so cowardly that not dare to drive a plane to bomb the Israeli, he had the capability but he ain't Prince Andrew.

A good leader knows when you need to be cool, when and where not to release your anger. Look at Dr Rice, she's cool. Even her job's nature did not grant her a peaceful life. But she's cool. I Salute you Dr. Rice. Welcome to Malaysia, most Malaysian are peaceful and warm, please enjoy our stay here.

Can Si KeJantanan apologise to us Msians for he has tarnished our name, my name. I am a Msian and i well didnt gv him my damn support to burn the flag of USA. Can someone pls sue them for air pollution?

The juvenile pariah kampong behaviour of this son of a diplomat and the son-in law of the Prime Minister is so uncouth coming from Khairy that it makes one wonder what his real objective is. Surely Badawi must be apologising for his behaviour and such behaviour surely must lower the esteem and image of his father in law.

Seems like there must be truth to the rumour that Khairy and wife are not getting along well, and in which case, he obviously needs to give more than enough reason to justify any split that has occured or is going to occur. Or this could be revenge against his pa-in-law. Surely an Oxford education should have thought him all this..unless he was another Malay who got into Oxford because of the money Oxford stands to gain from the Malaysian government admitting such idiots.

Or maybe he needed to behave in this manner so that it becomes Badawi's fault that his relationship with the wife goes sour. Then ofcourse he is free to frolic will all the Mayas of the world I suppose. And at the same time become popular in UMNO plitics and despite his father-in-law he can continue to be the man about town.

Hey, Khairy why don't you fall down from the horse and next time break your head instead!

JEFF OOI says: Screenshots readers should avoid such ad hominem accusations and innuendos.It only gives arsenals to discredit blogs, bloggers and readers like you. Let's usurp the privilege of Internet witha strong sense of dignity and responsibility.

Read this in the NST today, under Column.

Its a letter written by KJ to Madam Rice.

Let me quote :
One day, we will all rise to teach you a lesson that is long overdue-that the injustice, discrimination and double standards must stop.

KJ, why dont you start with the situation in your own country. If you cant fix your own country, forget about fixing the world

JEFF OOI says: Thank God. You got my drift..

Trashed

You said....In the most recent altercations between Israel and Hezbollah and Hamas, it has been widely reported that the initiators of the conflict were Hamas and Hezbollah.

You got it wrong. You have been brainwashed by Israeli/US Media propaganda.

Didn't they tell you that Israeli kept more than 1,000 Palestinians in Israeli jails for more than 5 years?

On Lebanon, the truth is that Israeli soldiers went into Lebanon and fought with the Herzbollah and two Israeli soldiers got caught. It is like 2 Singaporean soldiers crossed over to Malaysia in a combat zone and got caught.

The story you hear that Herzbollah went over to Israeli border to kidnap 2 soldiers and killed 4 is A TOTAL LIE AND BLOODY WESTERN MEDIA LIE supporting Israel's murder and killings of innocent Lebanese and Palestinian women and children, propagated by CNN, FoxNews and BBC.

Either you are living in the US or UK now or have a TV set that has only CNN or BBC as your only channel. And your internet access is hacked for you to only read news from BBC and CNN and Fox News.

Go and enlighten yourself more first before becoming a party to the spilled blood of innocent Lebanese and Palestinian women and children killed by Israeli weapons and bombs paid for and subsidised by AMERICAN taxpayers

Read below the FACTS against the Israeli LIES and more lies by the Bush Administration.

Condoleeza Rice's (being an African American woman herself) hands are full of innocent Lebanese women and children's blood for not wanting to ask Israeli to stop the bombing and killing and end the conflict RIGHT NOW.

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What Triggered the Regional War?

It all started on July 12, when Israel troops were ambushed ON LEBANON'S SIDE of the border with Israel.

Hezbollah, which commands the Lebanese south, immediately seized on their crossing. They arrested two Israeli soldiers.

Israeli soldiers CROSSED OVER to the Lebanon side of the border. The Israeli soldiers were NOT kidnapped from the Israeli side of the border as was the perception given in the pro-Israel western media for the massive destruction of Lebanon by Israeli forces.

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Kidnapped in Israel or Captured in Lebanon?

Official justification for Israel's invasion on thin ice

http://www.antiwar.com/frank/?articleid=9401

by Joshua Frank

As Lebanon continues to be pounded by Israeli bombs and munitions, the justification for Israel's invasion is treading on very thin ice. It has become general knowledge that it was Hezbollah guerillas that first kidnapped two IDF soldiers inside Israel on July 12, prompting an immediate and violent response from the Israeli government, which insists it is acting in the interest of national defense. Israeli forces have gone on to kill over 370 innocent Lebanese civilians (compared to 34 killed on Israel's side) while displacing hundreds of thousands more. But numerous reports from international and independent media, as well as the Associated Press, raise questions about Israel's official version of the events that sparked the conflict two weeks ago.

The original story, as most media tell it, goes something like this: Hezbollah attacked an Israeli border patrol station, killing six and taking two soldiers hostage. The incident happened on the Lebanese/Israel border in Israeli territory. The alternate version, as explained by several news outlets, tells a bit of a different tale: These sources contend that Israel sent a commando force into southern Lebanon and was subsequently attacked by Hezbollah near the village of Aitaa al-Chaab, well inside Lebanon's southern territory. It was at this point that an Israel tank was struck by Hezbollah fighters, which resulted in the capture of two Israeli soldiers and the death of six.

As the AFP reported, "According to the Lebanese police force, the two Israeli soldiers were captured in Lebanese territory, in the area of Aitaa al-Chaab, near to the border with Israel, where an Israeli unit had penetrated in middle of morning." And the French news site www.VoltaireNet.org reiterated the same account on June 18, "In a deliberated way, [Israel] sent a commando in the Lebanese back-country to Aitaa al-Chaab. It was attacked by Hezbollah, taking two prisoners."

The Associated Press departed from the official version as well. "The militant group Hezbollah captured two Israeli soldiers during clashes Wednesday across the border in southern Lebanon, prompting a swift reaction from Israel, which sent ground forces into its neighbor to look for them," reported Joseph Panossian for AP on July 12. "The forces were trying to keep the soldiers' captors from moving them deeper into Lebanon, Israeli government officials said on condition of anonymity."

And the Hindustan Times on July 12 conveyed a similar account:

"The Lebanese Shi'ite Hezbollah movement announced on Wednesday that its guerrillas have captured two Israeli soldiers in southern Lebanon. 'Implementing our promise to free Arab prisoners in Israeli jails, our strugglers have captured two Israeli soldiers in southern Lebanon,' a statement by Hezbollah said. 'The two soldiers have already been moved to a safe place,' it added. The Lebanese police said that the two soldiers were captured as they 'infiltrated' into the town of Aitaa al-Chaab inside the Lebanese border."

Whether factual or not, these alternative accounts should at the very least raise serious questions as to Israel's motives and rationale for bombarding Lebanon.

MSNBC online first reported that Hezbollah had captured Israeli soldiers "inside" Lebanon, only to change their story hours later after the Israeli government gave an official statement to the contrary.

A report from The National Council of Arab Americans, based in Lebanon, also raised suspicion that Israel's official story did not hold water and noted that Israel had yet to recover the tank that was demolished during the initial attack in question.

"The Israelis so far have not been able to enter Aitaa al-Chaab to recover the tank that was exploded by Hezbollah and the bodies of the soldiers that were killed in the original operation (this is a main indication that the operation did take place on Lebanese soil, not that in my opinion it would ever be an illegitimate operation, but still the media has been saying that it was inside 'Israel' thus an aggression first started by Hezbollah)."

Before independent observers could organize an investigation of the incident, Israel had already mounted a grisly offensive against Lebanese infrastructure and civilians, bombing Beirut's international airport, along with numerous highways and communication portals. Israel didn't need the truth of the matter to play out before it invaded Lebanon. As with the United States' illegitimate invasion of Iraq, Israel just needed the proper media cover to wage a war with no genuine moral impetus

KJ, why dont you start with the situation in your own country. If you cant fix your own country, forget about fixing the world

Well he FIXED us alright! He will soon FIX the rest of us via his propaganda and to reach his political goal he will stop at nothing. We are gonna get FIXED. After that he will go FIX USA.

KJ, why dont you start with the situation in your own country. If you cant fix your own country, forget about fixing the world

Well he FIXED us alright! He will soon FIX the rest of us via his propaganda and to reach his political goal he will stop at nothing. We are gonna get FIXED. After that he will go FIX USA.

Folks

The famous son in law is trying to win some brownie points by trying to behave like a typical UMNO Youth thugs, reminiscent of UMNO Youth apparatchiks threatening to burn the Chinese Assembly Hall and the UMNO Youth Leader wielding the keris in public.

Bunch of idiots and a disgrace to the political leadership of UMNO.

But that does not remove the fact that the demonstration against Condoleeza Rice should is correct because the Israeli helicoptions, the patriot missiles, the F-18s and F-16s. the cluster bombs, the warships blockading Lebanon, are all PAID for by American taxpayers and subsidised. AMERICA is a party to the war in Lebanon.

Read here how much money American taxpayers are paying for free for all the bombs and helicoptersa dn F18s to Israeli to kill innocent Palestiniansn and Lebanese

http://www.washington-report.org/html/us_aid_to_israel.htm

A Conservative Total for U.S. Aid to Israel: $91 Billion—and Counting

By Shirl McArthur

".... this is probably a good time to take another look at aid to Israel. The common figure given for U.S. aid to Israel is $3 billion per year—$1.2 billion in economic aid and $1.8 billion in military aid....it represents about one-sixth of total U.S. foreign aid, the true figure is even more remarkable. Much of the money the U.S. gives Israel is buried in the budgets of other government agencies, primarily the Defense Department (DOD). Other subsidies come in a form that isn’t easily quantifiable, such as the early disbursement of aid, which allows Israel to gain (and the U.S. taxpayer to lose) the interest on the unspent money.

This year’s appropriations bills for FY 2001, which began Oct. 1, 2000, include, in addition to the $2.82 billion in economic and military foreign aid to Israel, an additional $60 million in so-called refugee resettlement and $250 million in the DOD budget, plus $85 million imputed interest, for a total of at least $3.215 billion. In addition, on Nov. 14, 2000, President William Clinton sent a special request to Congress for an additional $450 million in military aid to Israel in FY 2001, plus $350 million for FY 2002.

AMERICA is fighting the war by proxy, so is UK....."

The parroting of America and UK saying ISRAEI has the right to defend it self, is utter rubbish. Israel has rubbed its nose on United Nations on UN Resolution after the 1967 War, and now the US isasking that the UN Resolution 1559 to be implemented . This is blatant and outright double standards. The ARAB LEAQUE is only good for TALKING AND TALKING, with their throats circumcised by America.

American and Israel wants to disarm Herzbollah so that Israeli hegemony continues and for Israel to continue BULLYING ARAB STATES.

It is asking Malaysia to disarm while America is arming Singapore or Thailand to the teeth.

And Malaysians who are angry with UMNO or UMNO Youth got their brains twisted on this international crisis. This is not about Malay vs Non Malay or about Muslim vs Muslim.

This is about the killing of innocent women and children by the most powerful arming in the Middle East armed by the only Superpower in the world.

I support the demonstration against Condoleeza Rice here in Kuala Lumpur. The message should be made about America, being the only Superpower, as the most biased and prejudiced broker in the Middle East. Condoleeza Rice should NOT be welcomed in Malaysia, NOT NOW!!

Thanks,KJ!

For showing to the world that we Malaysians are a bunch of uncultured morons!

Hi Khairy:
There is a phrase: CHARITY BEGINS AT HOME.

Also, more spiritually, since F-in-L is acknowledge to be God-fearing leader : You see the speck in thy neighbour's eye, but can't see the branch in your own.

And groo-thank God you remember. Commoners by the hundreds gathered for 3 consecutive Fridays at same venue to protest 30sen-per0-litre petrol hike, NOT A SINGLE LINE IN THE STAR. Until FRU whacked some protestors with much blood floor, then those 3 MOnkeys woke up from their slumber. But yesterday they served Khairy -- future PM? My kaki! -- with majestic Yellow circle on frontpage. Next a Royal halo above the (BN Youth!)deputy head!

JacknJill

You said...For showing to the world that we Malaysians are a bunch of uncultured morons!

Demonstratons against foreign we don't like are par for the course.

It is done in the US, and in fact done inside the US Congress, and in UK and everywhere else. That does not make any American uncultured moron.

I support the demonstration and I think every Malaysian who oppose to the murderous killings of innocent Lebanese and Palestinians by the most powerful army inthe Middle East and armed by the only Superpower in the world should demonstrate, peacefully.

The young and those who cared, in America, etc who saw the killing in Vietnam by US soldiers protested against the war and forced US to withdraw.

No, you are wrong to say the famous son in law made us look like uncultured morons. You would be one if you do not see the injustice in the current conflict in Lebanon and Palestinian Territory.

I can only agree the son in law is trying to win brownie points. You can judge him for being an opportunist, but to condemn him for protesting against Condoleeza Rice, is not relevant to his bad behaviour in LOCAL politics.

You got your emotions expressed in the wrong place.

Unfortunately, very unfortunately, the monkey act was praised by lots kampung folks and ordinary people on the streets. As I was watching the news at a open cafeteria last night, I could see how the crowd cheer him and people get emotion over it. So I can only protest deep within me.(hey I have a family with me). Very sad, this showed how shallow are we malaysian, we are still very much attached to our race, religion and don't think rationally. To me, i was really digusted watching him on the TV. well, I think he has to show to the country that he is not working for the PM and that he has all the time to go and demo agaisnt country's guests.

joejak

I don't like one bit of the son in law's behaviour in LOCAL politics and his opportunist instinct and greed for power and money (so is everybody else) and his upstart attitude.

But I support his move to demonstrate against Condoleeza Rice. She came for a meeting in Kuala Lumpur.

Condoleeza Rice is one of those responsible for the disastrous war in Iraq and for spreading the lies about the existence of weapons of mass destruction, resulting in more than 20,000 innocent Iraqi lives DEAD, mostly women and children.

Now she has in her hands the blood of innocent Lebanese and Palestinian women and children and she has the power to STOP the BARBARIC killing by the Israeli Army.

Condoleeza Rice is a hawk in the Bush administration and she once worked for the Oil companies in Texas who are profiteering inthe war in Iraq. In fact one of the oil tankers owned by one fo the oil companie3s was named after her but later withdrew when they realised it was conflict ininterest.

Condoleeza Rice is PRO ISRAEL and has NEVER been a friend of the Muslim world. Her expertise is only on Soviet Union and Russia before she came on board the Bush Administration.

She is Bush's running dog.

Wahhh....So great lo....but how come no water cannon..no itchy water....no belantan to the head or skull.....I wonder what happenned to thr FRU. They are willing to hentam small kids, old man and woman....but not UMNO members...maybe because it IS UMNO members...They say Malaysia...But I don't see any Chinese, Indian, Iban, Kadazan, Siam, Orang Asli and etc....I just wonder...Maybe I am blind...I only see ONE race....HopefuLLY I am wrong....

Hingus boy.....thanks for making it harder for your brothers to get a US visa.

No class...seriously!
Even Hishamudin and Nazri showed some class here.

The government talks about unemployed graduates......i guess u are one of them! Wait a minute...do you or do u not have a full time job?

Here is a hankie to wipe ur hingus btw. Poooodah!

“..we do not welcome you here” and what did our Syed Hamid Albar said: “Her presence here was very good for us. She is able to feel and see what we think about the whole conflict”
He was able to bulldoze his way around here but cannot get past the US Security.
Twice Khairy were permitted to enter the venue but was evicted out by the tight US security agents within minutes of entry. See him literally being carried away by the agents & more pictures at:
http://powerpresent.blogspot.com/2006/07/more-pics-5000-protesters-at-klcc.html

Hello Airsnort, You are perceptive! UMNO has always prescribed ONE race for Malaysia, and we all know which race. Remember, Yasmin's films have been said to "dilute" the purity of the annointed race?

Airsnort

You said...I only see ONE race

That is the stupidity of the famous son in law despite his Oxford degree.

He wanted this protest to be UMNO Youth protest.

People overseas don't give a sh.t to UMNO YOuth or UMNO. They are known mostly as political thugs good for bullying other races on the streets, keris wielding and threatening to burn buildings and showing blood to others.

If UMNO Youth is just 2-cents cleverer than they are now, they could have rallied others, Malays, Chinese and Indians, who saw the injustice and the unfair role of the superpower in supporting the most powerful army in the Middle East to kill innocent women and children and destroying the whole country of Lebanon and Beirut.

Irrespective of race, we as human beings should be disgusted with Bush and Condoleeza Rice's arrogant and dangerous foreign policy on the Middle East whilst Bush (Condoleeza Rice is excused for having none) had NO Balls on North Korea Nuclear crisis. Reason: North Korea is not a threat to Israel.

An uncultured moronic monkey selectively and opportunistically protesting against an unjust war and atrocities against innocents still remain an uncultured moronic monkey. The cause does not render it any less moronic or more cultured.

Maybe KJ is funded by Syrian or Iran heheh.. let see US stop him.
Dont get me wrong im in the gulf region and the protest here I find it is very lacking in term of street protest, the government shows their dislike though but so far havent send any of their F16 escorting Israel air strike back home.
We chanted Allah huAkbar with the Lebanese in their restaurant we went to when the kyusha missle hit something though, but its a dirty war both side are loosing it is sad when you see women and children get hurt or kill from both sides. :(
Only the US can stop this now as they are the one who is giving the green light.

tiredguy

Yes. It is the US ie Condoleeza Rice that gave the Israel the GREEN LIGHT to continue destroying Lebanon and the indiscriminate killing of innocent lives.

The Israelis even deliberately bombed the UN Post that had been there since 1948, and killed 4 UN personnel, one of them from China.

That's the absolute arrogance of Israel, and being allowed to be intransigent and arrogant at the pleasure and approval of the Americans.

Malaysians should keep their Malay vs Non Malay or Muslim vs Non Muslims sentiments aside and stand by the very principles of natural justice.

Your relatives, siblings, parents etc could be in the same shoes as the Lebanese and Palestinians.

Thinking you are comfortable and safe living in the US, UK or Australia or in Malaysia or Singapore right now does not make you any less moronic or more cultured, as one reader says. The same could happen to you and your family.

There are Lebanese and Palestinian who are American/British/Australian citizens whose families are dying and suffering.

We should emphathise and share the same sympathy.

By the way, if you do not know, young Jewish kids living overseas go back to Israel for military training to defend Israel. Currently there are no less than 100 Australian citizens of Jewish descent in the Israel arming and thousands of American citizens in the Israeli army. And they are in bombing and shooting at the innocent people in Lebanon and Palestinian Territorities in the current conflict.

u see, these ppl thrive on unruly behaviour. their ppl look up to them when they brandish some machoism in theri attitude. Hishammuddin wileded keris, KJ has to up the ante. We shall see what HO will do to beat this KJ's stunt. The better it is, their ppl will look up to them and chance to become Leader is greater.

Perhaps we a Msians can help them out by thinking of a few good moves to get some brownie points.

1. Fly solo into Israel and hand their PM a letter.

2. Go fight solo in Lebanon with just a keris.

3. Pay USD just to see Bush and tell him straight in the face that he sucks!

anymore?

tiredguy

Yes. It is the US ie Condoleeza Rice that gave the Israel the GREEN LIGHT to continue destroying Lebanon and the indiscriminate killing of innocent lives.

The Israelis even deliberately bombed the UN Post that had been there since 1948, and killed 4 UN personnel, one of them from China.

That's the absolute arrogance of Israel, and being allowed to be intransigent and arrogant at the pleasure and approval of the Americans.

Malaysians should keep their Malay vs Non Malay or Muslim vs Non Muslims sentiments aside and stand by the very principles of natural justice.

Your relatives, siblings, parents etc could be in the same shoes as the Lebanese and Palestinians.

Thinking you are comfortable and safe living in the US, UK or Australia or in Malaysia or Singapore right now does not make you any less moronic or more cultured, as one reader says. The same could happen to you and your family.

There are Lebanese and Palestinian who are American/British/Australian citizens whose families are dying and suffering.

We should emphathise and share the same sympathy.

By the way, if you do not know, young Jewish kids living overseas go back to Israel for military training to defend Israel. Currently there are no less than 100 Australian citizens of Jewish descent in the Israel army and thousands of American citizens in the Israeli army. And they are in bombing and shooting at the innocent people in Lebanon and Palestinian Territorities in the current conflict.

"From the people of Malaysia, we (pls speak for yourself Khairy) do not welcome you here. You may be invited by the Government, but we do not welcome you here," he (the idiot) said, referring to Rice.

He doesn't speak for the people of Malaysia. He didn't even contested in the last election...

F&H

I think we Msians do feel for the Lebanese and Palestineans but to behave in such a manner does not befit a Msian.

Am sure the better way was for KJ to hand the letter to PM and PM hands it to Dr Rice. By acting in a manner befitting King of the Jungle only teaches our young that things can be settled via gangsta ways. We are importing Indon workers but hv we imported their culture too?

Hey guys...

Just stop for a moment and see the first pic posted in the blog...

For one moment, I thought KJ also kena sprayed by Maze...

:D

if my memory doesn't fail me, previously during the demonstrations in klcc on the hike in petrol prices and electricity ended in some unpleasant ways. but why didn't they take action on this demonstration, leaded by KJ? they should disperse them even before they reach klcc. i believe this demonstration is much 'fiercer' and threatened the security of ms rice and others.

Frank & Honest,
"You said....In the most recent altercations between Israel and Hezbollah and Hamas, it has been widely reported that the initiators of the conflict were Hamas and Hezbollah.

You got it wrong. You have been brainwashed by Israeli/US Media propaganda."

Well, I would frankly trust BBC then some Hezbollah controled media or even the lebanon police. Maybe not CNN but BBC is fiercely independent.

"

Yes. It is the US ie Condoleeza Rice that gave the Israel the GREEN LIGHT to continue destroying Lebanon and the indiscriminate killing of innocent lives.

The Israelis even deliberately bombed the UN Post that had been there since 1948, and killed 4 UN personnel, one of them from China."

Again, this is your personnal opinion as who could really know if the Israelis bombed the UN post deliberately. They would be extremely stupid to do so. While it is very true that Israel used excessive force against Lebanon but to claim that their goal is to kill Lebanon's civilian is very naive.

Nevermind if you want to protest till the cows come home in your own homeland. But what about those 'lawatan sambil protes' all around the world by them? Nice way to spend our taxpayers' money, innit?

Frank,

Here’s what I see. I see AAB shaking hand with Rice. I see KJ want to eat up Rice. It’s a show. The cruelty of Western imperialism, I would say we in Asia have experienced enough. I feel like you that we should look beyond our skin and belief and just look at the stark cruelty. But KJ is the last person I want to see championing this noble course. AAB buys the heart of moderate while his padawan rallying the extremes. Tun went to the heartland of rural Malay and managed to melt some hearts. Both camps are preparing for the showdown. You will see more shows where both camps will go all out to win moderates, extremes etc. using whatever tools available including the war.

Current tool of those who are scared to do the right thing: weild the kris, srap the flag around you....both scraliges....one doing it in Parliament and the other trespassing into a designated sanctum where foreigners are guests of the country. Easy way out....all sound and fury signifying nothing (apologies to Willie Shakespeare).Lets start a donation and send KJ to Lebanon.

correction...burn flags....both sacrilige.

I'm surprised by some of the knee-jerk sentiments I see here.

It seems to me that Khairy's demonstration is a very strategical move.

Badawi has no choice but to continue his trajectory of being nice and restrained to the US, but that would be extremely unpopular here especially since we are already angry over so many other things.

The elegant solution is to send his son-in-law to do up some chest thumping, and at the same time shore up his own pro-Islamist credentials, while his dad plays the apologetic nice guy. A win-win solution if there is any!

Anyway, I see nothing wrong with peaceful protests - especially when so many people here are pissed off with the way US is supporting Israel bombing Lebanon to kingdom come. Why all the demonizing him just because it's ... well... him?

Kudos to KJ.

Khairy, stop embarrassing our country. I feel so ashamed over you idiotic riot.Retract your

"From the people of Malaysia, we do not welcome you here. You may be invited by the Government, but we do not welcome you here," he said, referring to Rice.

uh btw , I welcome Rice.

Frank,

The original article that you provided can be obtained from here. I like to point out the Associated Press article Joshua Frank quoted is pointed to the Associated Press article in Forbes magazine. The same Associated Press article can be obtained here. I find those two article contradicting. The AFP article was obtained from a website and is noted to be translated from an AFP article. I can't seem to find the original article from the AFP website.

I find Frank Joshua's article is based on selective and sometimes misleading articles that support his opinion. ALthough, more research on the article is needed but this is what I have come up with in a half and hour period.

As also I would like to note that, Tony Blair have come under heavy critics by UK media and MPs for failing to called for an immediate ceasefire. Not to mention, 42 signatures was obtained for a declaration to urge Tony Blair to tell the United States president that Britain "can no longer support the American position on the unfolding humanitarian catastrophe in the Middle-East".

Maybe KJ could learn from the UK leaders. Rather then trying to storm a security talk, he could submit a declaration through the proper channels.

francophone

You said...Well, I would frankly trust BBC then some Hezbollah controled media or even the lebanon police. Maybe not CNN but BBC is fiercely independent.

You got it wrong again. Badly wrong, in fact, my friend!!

BBC fiercely independent??? Yes, maybe on other issues in Africa or Asia, but NOT when it is about Israel.

Read below or go to the link. You belong to those people who got warped by the false belief about BBC. It was reliable many years ago. But no more as the Jewish lobby in Britain has virtual control the editorial room in the BBC.

BBC is only slighter than CNN.

Independent? You must be joking !!

"Le Monde" and "Le Figaro" newspapers in France would have been more independent than BBC on issues of the Middle East, assuming you read French since you said you are "francophone"!!
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Wednesday, July 19, 2006

The Degraded BBC: Blatant Bias Reporting of Israel's Regional War

by

Jonathan Cook
(Jonathan Cook is a writer and journalist based in Nazareth, Israel. His book Blood and Religion is published by Pluto Press)

Quote:".....The reporting we are seeing from the BBC and the other broadcasters is racist; there is no other word to describe it.

The journalists' working assumption is that Israeli lives are more precious, more valuable than Lebanese lives.

As I regularly flicked to the BBC's coverage all afternoon, I found almost no mention of those dead in Lebanon.

They had become "non-beings," irrelevant in the calculations not only of our world leaders but of our major broadcasters.

That is why the capture of two Israeli soldiers is more newsworthy to our broadcasters than the dozens of Lebanese civilians dying from the Israeli bombing runs that have followed.

The eight Israelis killed on Sunday are worth far more than the 130-plus Lebanese lives taken so far and the hundreds more we can expect to die in the coming days.

As long as Israel is portrayed by our major broadcasters as the one under attack, its deaths alone as significant, then the slide to a regional war – a war of choice being waged by the Israeli government and army – is likely to become inevitable.

There is NO excuse for this asymmetry of coverage.

This is not journalism; it's reporting as a propaganda arm of a foreign power.

So to Jeremy Bowen, James Reynolds, Ben Brown, Wyre Davies, Matthew Price, and all the other BBC journalists reporting from the frontline of the Middle East, and the faceless news executives who sent them there, I say: you may be nice people with the best of intentions, but shame on you."
- Jonathan Cook

Read here Jonathan Cook's article at
http://world.mediamonitors.net/content/view/full/32700

Here we go again – another "serious escalation" has begun in the Middle East, or so BBC World was telling audiences throughout Sunday.

So what prompted the BBC's judgment that the crisis was ESCALATING once more?

You can be sure:it had NOTHING to do with the more than 130 Lebanese dead after five days of savage aerial bombardment from at least 2,000 sorties by Israeli war planes that are making the country's south a disaster zone and turning Beirut into a crumbling ghost town. Those dead, most civilians and many of them women and children, hardly get a mention, their lives apparently empty of meaning or significance in this confrontation.

NOR, is it the Lebanese roads and bridges being pounded into dust,

NOR the petrol stations and oil refineries going up in smoke,

NOR, the phone networks and TV stations being obliterated,

NORthe water and electricity supplies being cut off.

The rapid transformation of a modern vibrant country like Lebanon into the same category of open-air prison as Gaza is not an escalation in the BBC's view.

No, the BBC proffered a first, hesitant "escalation" on Thursday night when Hezbollah had the audacity to fire a handful of rockets at Haifa in response to the growing Lebanese death toll.

The worst damage the Katyushas inflicted was one gouging a chunk of earth out of the hillside overlooking the port.

But the BBC felt confident to declare the escalation had turned "serious" on Sunday when Hezbollah not only fired more rockets at Haifa but one killed a group of eight railway workers in a station depot.

Now that Israeli civilians as well as Lebanese civilians are dying – even if in far smaller numbers – the BBC's battalions of journalists in northern Israel finally have something to report on.

So BBC World's broadcast at 9 a.m GMT (noon Israel/Lebanon time) hardly veered out of Haifa or Jerusalem.

After the presenter's headline declaration that the Hezbollah strike on Haifa was a "serious escalation,": the news segued into a lengthy and sympathetic interview with an Israeli police spokesman in Haifa by Wyre Davies;

- followed by another lazy interview, lasting the better part of five minutes, with an Israeli government spokesman in Jerusalem;

-followed by Ben Brown in Beirut interviewing a British holidaymaker about her night of horror in her hotel.

And in those 15 minutes that was about as close as we got to hearing what the Lebanese had been enduring from a night and morning of Israeli aerial strikes on Beirut and the country's south.

If there was any mention of the suffering of Lebanese civilians – and doubtless the BBC will tell me there was – the reference was so fleeting that I missed it.

And if I missed it, then so did most BBC World viewers.

The true nature of the "serious escalation" was soon apparent – or at least it was if one watched Arab TV channels.

They showed an urban wasteland of rubble and dust in the suburbs of Beirut and Tyre that was shockingly reminiscent of New York in the immediate aftermath of the 9/11 attacks.

They cut intermittently to local hospitals filled with Lebanese children, their faces a rash of bloody pockmarks from the spray of Israeli shrapnel.

More terrible images of children burnt and lying in pools of blood arrived in my e-mail inbox from Lebanese bloggers.

But in the BBC's lexicon, escalation has nothing to do with the enormous destruction Israel can unleash on Lebanon, only the occasional, smaller-scale blow Hezbollah scores against Israel.

Switching from the Arab channels back to the BBC for their 11 a.m. broadcast in the hope of finding the same images of devastation in Tyre and Beirut, I stumbled on yet another timid interview with Israel's ubiquitous spokesman Mark Regev.

It was followed by two headlines: Nine dead in Israel after a "barrage" of attacks on Haifa, and foreign governments prepare to evacuate their nationals out of the region.

At noon, James Reynolds as good as gave the game away: the Hezbollah strike on Haifa, he said, proved that the rockets are "no longer just an irritant."

Now it was clear why a "serious escalation" had begun: Israel was actually being harmed by Hezbollah's rockets rather than just irritated.

Until then the harm had been mainly inflicted on Lebanese civilians, so NO escalation was taking place.

As I regularly flicked to the BBC's coverage all afternoon, I found almost no mention of those dead in Lebanon.

They had become "non-beings," irrelevant in the calculations not only of our world leaders but of our major broadcasters.

It wasn't till the 7 p.m. news that I saw meaningful images from Lebanon, as Gavin Hewitt followed a fire crew trying to put out an enormous oil refinery blaze in Tyre.

Although we saw some of the suffering of the Lebanese population, the anchor felt obliged to preface the scenes from Lebanon with the statement that they were Israeli "retaliation" for the Haifa attack, even though Israel had been launching such strikes for four days before the lethal rocket strike on Haifa.

In the same broadcast, an Israeli cabinet minister, Shaul Mofaz, was given air time to make the claim that parts of the rockets that landed in Haifa were Syrian-made.

Allegations by the Lebanese president, Emile Lahoud, widely shown on Arab TV that Israel had been using phosphorus incendiary bombs – illegal under international law – received NO coverage at all.

On the 8 p.m. news, one of the headlines was a menacing quote from Sheik Hassan Nasrallah, the Hezbollah leader, that "Haifa is just the beginning."

Mike Wooldridge in the Jerusalem studio made great play of the quote, taken from a broadcast Nasrallah had made several hours earlier.

The BBC may have lifted the sentence from the Israeli media because they missed out the important conditional context inserted by Nasrallah – it was only the "beginning" of what Hezbollah could do if Israel continued its attacks.

They could have found this out even from the Israeli media if they had taken the care to look more closely: "As long as the enemy pursues its aggression without limits and red lines, we will pursue the confrontation without limits and without red lines," Nasrallah was quoted as saying by the daily Ha'aretz newspaper.

In other words, Nasrallah was warning that Hezbollah would give back as good as it gets – a standard piece of rhetoric from a military leader in times of confrontation.

The BBC is NO worse than CNN, Sky and, of course, Fox News.

It is possibly far better, which is reason enough why we should be outraged that this is the best international broadcast coverage we are likely to get of the conflict.

The reporting we are seeing from the BBC and the other broadcasters is racist; there is no other word to describe it.

The journalists' working assumption is that Israeli lives are more precious, more valuable than Lebanese lives.

A few dead Israelis justify massive retaliation; many Lebanese dead barely merit a mention.

The subtext seems to be that all the Lebanese, even the tiny bleeding children I see on Arab TV, are terrorists. It is just the way Arabs are.

That is why the capture of two Israeli soldiers is more newsworthy to our broadcasters than the dozens of Lebanese civilians dying from the Israeli bombing runs that have followed.

The eight Israelis killed on Sunday are worth far more than the 130-plus Lebanese lives taken so far and the hundreds more we can expect to die in the coming days.

There is NO excuse for this asymmetry of coverage.

BBC reporters are in Lebanon just as they are in Israel. They can find spokespeople in Lebanon just as easily as they can find them in Israel. They can show the far vaster scale of devastation in Beirut as easily as the wreckage in Haifa. They can speak to the Lebanese casualties just as easily as they can to those in Israel.

But they don't – and as a fellow journalist I have to ask myself why.

My previous criticisms of British reporters over their distorted coverage of Israel's military assaults in Gaza a few weeks back appear to have struck a raw nerve. Certainly they provoked a series of e-mails – some defensive, others angry – from a few of the reporters I named.

All tried to defend their own coverage, unable to accept my criticisms because they are sure that they personally do not take sides. They are not "campaigning" journalists after all, they are "professionals" doing a job.

But the problem is not with them, it is with the job they have to do – and the nature of the professionalism they so prize.

I am sure the BBC's Wyre Davies cares as much about Lebanese deaths as he does about Israeli ones. But he also knows his career at the BBC demands that he not ask his bosses questions when told to give valuable minutes of air time to an Israeli police spokesman who offers us only platitudes.

Similarly, we see James Reynolds use his broadcast from Haifa at noon to show emotive footage of him and his colleagues running for shelter as Israeli air raid sirens go off, only to tell us that in fact no rockets landed in Haifa.

That nonevent was shown by the BBC every hour on the hour all afternoon and evening.

Was it more significant than the images of death we never saw taking place just over the border?

These images from Lebanon exist, because the Arab channels spent all day showing them.

Matthew Price knows too that in the BBC's view it is his job as he stands in Haifa, after we have repeatedly heard Israeli spokespeople giving their version of events, to repeat their message, dropping even the quotes marks as he passionately tells us how tough Israel must now be, how it must "retaliate" to protect its citizens, how it must "punish" Hezbollah

This is NOT journalism; it's reporting as a propaganda arm of a foreign power.

Can we imagine Ben Brown doing the same from Beirut, standing in front of the BBC cameras telling us how Hezbollah has no choice faced with Israel's military onslaught but to start hitting Haifa harder, blowing up its oil refineries and targeting civilian infrastructure to "pressure" Israel to negotiate?

Would the BBC bother to show prerecorded footage of Brown fleeing for his safety in Beirut in what later turned out to be a false alarm? Of course not.

Doubtless Brown and his colleagues are forced to take cover on a regular basis for fear of being hurt by Israeli air strikes, but his fear – or more precisely, the fear of the Lebanese he stands alongside – is not part of the story for the BBC. Only Israeli fears are newsworthy.

These reporters are working in a framework of news priorities laid down by faceless news executives far away from the frontline who understand only too well the institutional pressures on the BBC – and the institutional biases that are the result.

They know that:

the Israel lobby is too powerful and well resourced to take on without suffering flak;

the charge of anti-Semitism might be terminally damaging to the BBC's reputation;

the BBC is expected broadly to reflect the positions of the British governmment if it wants an easy ride with its regulators;

to remain credible it should not stray too far from the line of its mainly American rivals, who have their own more intense domestic pressures to side with Israel.

This distortion of news priorities has real costs that can be measured in lives – in the days and weeks to come, hundreds, possibly thousands, of lives in both Israel and Lebanon.

As long as Israel is portrayed by our major broadcasters as the one under attack, its deaths alone as significant, then the slide to a regional war – a war of choice being waged by the Israeli government and army – is likely to become inevitable.

So to Jeremy Bowen, James Reynolds, Ben Brown, Wyre Davies, Matthew Price, and all the other BBC journalists reporting from the frontline of the Middle East, and the faceless news executives who sent them there, I say:
"..you may be nice people with the best of intentions, but shame on you."

Khairy Jamaluddin doesn't speak for me.

And back to the ME problem, one would rather say that CNN, BBC and the major networks have a more leftist (and pro-Palestinian approach) slant to their editorials and newscasts. Fox , OTOH, is quite right-wing from what I've watched so far.

Btw, the attack on Unarmed UN observers?

http://www.nysun.com/article/36860

http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/story.html?id=37278180-a261-421d-84a9-7f94d5fc6d50&k=55961
(Copy and paste links)

KJ is disgraceful to the nation. He does not represent the majority of Malaysian who is peace loving, respecting each other and live in harmony with all races. KJ is the kind of rotten eggs who live in our community that make us smelly.

I thought KJ is a nice guy all the while especially good in pleasing and respecting elderly people. Didn't know he is so violent in heart and did this kind of things.

God bless KJ and hope he can become more responsible and mature. He should have used his privileges for doing good to all Malaysians, not his personal gain.

francophone

You said...Again, this is your personnal opinion as who could really know if the Israelis bombed the UN post deliberately.

You don't follow international news, do you?

Didn't you read what the Sec Gen of UN said and the all members in the Security Council said, except USA and UK?

It is not MY opinion, It is the opinion of the international community.

As I said, don't let your brain get warped by Fox News, CNN and BBC/

helloooo, why one earth are you speaking on my behalf? Typically a wakil rakyat is a repesentatitive of the rakyat, well, he is not even elected yet. I wonder who he thinks he is, a national hero, and speaking on behalf of the whole of 21 million people?Cant believe it, he was an oxford product!

i wonder what the Dang Wangi Polis chief has to say on the usage of "Minimal Force" on citizen of Malaysia.

While protesting peacefully outside of KLCC against petrol price hike earn the a baton to the forehead from the FRU on the pretext of crowd control, but KJ @ KLCC earth a modest push over from FRU ...

hmmm ... apa nie ? dwi standard kah ?

So according to you F&H ... When Kopi Annan and the rest of the spineless members in UN cakap is correct and US, UK is BS ? U watching too much Star Wars I guess. UN is an anti-semitic org. Remember they wanted to equate Zionism to racism and Arafat making a speech with a gun by his side. Whatever one's views on Palestine / Israel and we can debate till kingdom come, one thing I'm sure - if M'sia ever have a crisis of such, US and UK is a better hope than the UN. Remember the tsunami? it was US battleships and helicopters. So don't watch too much TV yourself ....

remy

UN antisemtic??? The UN is a body of member states. Malaysia is a member of the UN. US, Canada and Australia, are member states. They own United Nations.

So these countries are anti-semitic???

Give me a break.

You belong to those paranoid Jewish right wingers who sees any criticism of Israel as anti semitic.

There are tons of these no-gooders and who are like cancer cells in the body politics of US. administration. If you are not Jewish then you must be a pathetic Israeli sympathesiser who cannot distinguised between being Jewish and being Zionist.

Why don't you click here and educate yourself abit more about being Jewish and Zionism.

http://www.nkusa.org/

http://www.nkusa.org/activities/statements/index.cfm

Read here, which I cut and paste for your intelligent reading:

http://www.nkusa.org/aboutus/index.cfm

... Neturei Karta opposed the establishment of and retain all opposition to the existence of the so-called "State of Israel"!

Neturei-Karta is the Aramaic term for "Guardians of the City. The name Neturei-Karta originates from an incident in which R. Yehudah Ha-Nassi (Rabbi Judah the Prince) sent R. Hiyya and R. Ashi on a pastoral tour of inspection. In one town they asked to see the "guardians of the city" and the city guard was paraded before them. They said that these were not the guardians of the city but its destroyers, which prompted the citizens to ask who, then, could be considered the guardians. The rabbis answered, "The scribes and the scholars," referring them to Tehillim (Psalms) Chap. 127. (Jerusalem Talmud, Tractate Hagiga. 76c).

The name was given to a group of Orthodox Jews in Jerusalem who refused (and still refuse) to recognize the existence or authority of the so-called "State of Israel" and made (and still make) a point of publicly demonstrating their position, the position of the Torah and authentic unadulterated Judaism.

The group was founded in Jerusalem, Palestine in 1938, splitting off from Agudas Yisroel. Agudas Yisroel was established in 1912 for the purpose of fighting Zionism. Gradually lured by money and honor they sold out to the "Golden-Calf" (see Exodus, XXXII) of Zionism. Those who wanted to maintain their faith and continue the struggle against Zionism, dissociated themselves from Agudas Yisroel and associated parties.

Over the years, a number of Neturei Karta activists and followers settled outside of Palestine. Some of the reasons that these individuals abandoned the country in which they and their families had lived for many generations (having lived there many years prior to the establishment of the illegitimate so-called "State of Israel") include; ideological refusal to live under the illegitimate heretical "Israeli" regime, them being exiled by the Zionist government for their insistence of remaining independent of the illegitimate heretical regime or them being unable to live a normal family life due to them and their families being persistently harassed, repeatedly incarcerated and many times even physically tortured by the Zionist police and agents. This dispersion resulted in the emergence of various Neturei Karta establishments on the broader international scene. These establishments include synagogues, educational institutions, publishing houses and organizations. The establishments in New York include three synagogues in Brooklyn (Boro Park and Williamsburg), three upstate, and organizations include the Friends of Jerusalem in NY, NY.

Neturei Karta is not - as is often alleged - a small sect or an extremist group of "ultra-orthodox" Jews. The Neturei Karta have added nothing to nor have they taken anything away from the written and oral law of the Torah as it is expressed in the Halacha and the Shulchan Aruch. The Neturei Karta are fighting the changes and inroads made by political Zionism during the past one-hundred odd years. Guided by the rabbis of our time and under the inspiring leadership of the late Reb Amram Blau, the Neturei Karta refuse to recognize the right of anyone to establish a "Jewish" state during the present period of exile.

There are those who wish to play down the Neturei Karta and its' Torah-true beliefs. This has been attempted many a time by stating that the Neturei Karta is a minority group and that compared to other Jewish groups the Neturei Karta aren't even noticeable in terms of number.

The name Neturei Karta is a name usually given to those people who regularly pray in the Neturei Karta synagogues (Torah Ve'Yirah Jerusalem, Torah U'Tefillah London, Torah U'Tefillah NY, Beis Yehudi Upstate NY, etc.), study in or send their children to educational institutions run by Neturei Karta, or actively participate in activities, assemblies or demonstrations called by the Neturei Karta. Although it is true that the number of families which could be classified as Neturei Karta members or activists per-se is relatively small (several thousand), the number of Orthodox Jews who believe in the anti-Zionist ideology which Neturei Karta is known for, number in the hundreds of thousands.

Neturei Karta oppose the so-called "State of Israel" not because it operates secularly, but because the entire concept of a sovereign Jewish state is contrary to Jewish Law..."

This is obviously just a stunt to get political mileage domestically and to divert from TM's attacks. Anyone who believes KJ gives a hoot about the Lebanese and Palestinians is being deceived. Those poor souls are just being used as an excuse to further KJ's agenda. BTW, expect Hisammudin to lead a keris charge at the US embassy next week. He's got to make up for lost ground...

Frank&Honest,
I do read both Le Monde and the BBC and before you brought up the issue of partiality, it never crossed my mind that the BBC is pro-Israel. Well, as I do not watch the BBC on tv, I took a sample of it's latest news:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5226996.stm
quote:
The UN says some 600 people - about a third of them children - have been killed by Israeli action in Lebanon.

They include a mother and her five children killed in a new wave of Israeli air raids in southern Lebanon, Lebanese medics said. Israel said it was investigating.

On Saturday Israeli forces withdrew from the southern Lebanese village of Bint Jbeil - a Hezbollah stronghold - which they had been trying to take for some days and where they sustained their heaviest one-day losses since the campaign began.

Hezbollah has continued firing hundreds of rockets into Israel - several hit the northern Israel town of Safed on Saturday.

In a new message, Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah said more central Israeli cities would be targeted if the Israeli offensive continued.

A total of 51 Israelis, including at least 18 civilians, have been killed during the conflict.

That seems to be fair to me. Maybe I'll pay more attention to the issue later.

About Israel deliberately bombed UN post thing, Dude! What Kopi Annan says is only an allegation. Should we belief an allegation as the gospel truth? No! We should always hear from both sides, don't we?

To quote abit from VOA:
Israel's U.N. Ambassador Dan Gillerman expressed his government's regret at the killings. He said he was satisfied with what he called the 'fair and balanced' tone of the statement. At the same time, the Israeli envoy had harsh words for Secretary-General Kofi Annan for initially suggesting that the attack on the U.N. observer post may have been deliberate. "I'm happy that the secretary-general yesterday changed his tone to a certain extent, because I do think the initial insinuation was unworthy of such a seasoned and experienced diplomat and was hasty and irresponsible," he said.

francophone

I don't think I want to prolong this debate till the cows come hom, on the bias and prejudice of the western media with you.. you do belong to a minority of international viewers and readers.

I was an avid follower of BBC for many many years, but not lately. I have followed the internal politics and dynamics of BBC about 8-10 year agoand watched the deterioration of BBC's coverage of the Middle East long enough.

You continue watching BBC and enrich your own mind.

It is already an accepted fact that Israel knew it had the western media on its side when it went on its brutal spree.

For the enlightenment of one reader, "remy",I posted one article on the difference berween Zionism and being Jewish but somehow Jeff decided to block it.

Being anti Israel does NOT make one antisemitic

Here is the link for "remy" to note the difference between Zionism and being Jewish. It comes from an Orthodox Jewish website.These orthodox Jews OPPOSED the creation of Israel and the Zionist expansionism of the current Israeli leaders, most of them were originally European Jews.

http://www.nkusa.org/

http://www.nkusa.org/aboutus/mission.cfm

http://www.nkusa.org/aboutus/index.cfm

What is Zionism? Read here: http://www.nkusa.org/aboutus/whatzionism.cfm