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I don't have your PDF printing software so I can't verify, but most likely the timestamp in the PDF (20060601062955+08) is your local PC date/time at the time you printed-to-PDF from your browser, which can be changed.

Also, there is no proof that the printed PDF file wasn't tampered in the first place - for example, by cross-refencing to an MD5 hash that is provably from the source.

Not that I doubt what you say about printing it at that time, but digital forensics will probably tell you it doesn't prove anything...

JEFF OOI says: You evidently missed out two important things. ONE: live data. You just need to click to the URL at http://www.rmp.gov.my/rmp03/laporanIPCMC/tersiratdantersurat.htm to see if the document is still hosted live on the Internet at any one time. TWO: There are two parts to printing PDF, one the created PDF copy, two the machine/PC that created the PDF copy. When both are profiled under digital forensics, the DNA will show.

Andrew:

If you are doubt about the printing timestamp, just browse to the page and it's still alive.

http://www.rmp.gov.my/rmp03/laporanIPCMC/tersiratdantersurat.htm

Well.. unless there's some DNS poisoning, rmp.gov.my is a valid PDRM website.

Now you see it, now you don't.
It's gone, AGAIN.

just quickly - as of about 11am, 1 june, the link is dead again.

i remember that it was on for a long time after it was supposedly taken down, but was off as of yesterday afternoon or so, i believe.

police should take this whole ipcmc thing as a positive opportunity to restore the faith of those who really believe in them..

it is like a unprofessional thief trying to hide evidence...the more you hide..the more...the evidence point to you....

Just like Chipsmore® cookies, 'Now you see it now you don't!'

btw, does anyone knew how to go to those articles from the main page (i.e. step-by-step)? I can't seem to do that... Anyone knows?

Jeff.... Tis is what we call minimal force........

Could be another SANDIWARA (some one is planning a musical called Sandywar!) or akin to a Whistleblower at work.
I'm happy -- the end result is that the Public knows what's at the back of some minds at the PDRM -- can be positive or negative, these revelations; now the Ball is at the Nation's CEO Court; I hope he learns some "kicks" now that World Cup season is nigh. No "nehe, nehe" pls.

their view:

http://tinyurl.com/ljfup

This is my earlier post...
I have my suspicions since Day 1...

Just a thought....

What if the document was PURPOSELY put up on the website to show the AAB govt who is more powerful?

What if the document was PURPOSELY put up to show the public that scream and shout if you want to, but the Police still holds the key to whether or not IPCMC will ever see the daylight.

What if the document was PURPOSELY put up to tell everyone that the Police dont give a shit to what other people wants.

What if the document was PURPOSELY put up to declare once and for all, this is not a SECULAR state nor and ISLAMIC state but a POLICE STATE!

Go figure....

Hey guys. It's one of those "close one eye" thing.
That is, one eye can see the other eye cannot see.
=D

If you're right about their intended target being their top chief (I share that thought too), for further embarassment ahead of his retirement (not to mention outright rebellion), then it'd be dreadful to conclude that the PDRM has the ability and guts to direct their investigations in all police cases towards THEIR "desired" outcome, i.e. towards whom they favour, or against whom they disfavour - who is their "friend".

Firstly, if this was a "mistake" as claimed by IGP, we now have more to fear - that they do, can or WILL make serious mistakes in handling cases affecting civil safety and protection.

Conversely, if it was intentionally pre-planned and was NOT a mistake, we now also have to fear the power of the Police to hold any and all, including the Govt-of-the-day and the Rakyat, to ransom.

Politicians? Well, if I am asked, I'd say they deserved to be screwed by the PDRM however the PDRM does it.

Any which way, damned we all are.

The following documents are still on the police website :

IPCMC : WHY WE DON’T NEED IT
http://www.rmp.gov.my/rmp03/laporanIPCMC/wedontneedit.htm

Rasional Penolakan IPCMC
http://www.rmp.gov.my/rmp03/laporanIPCMC/rasional.htm

I think that these documents are seditious in nature and the persons responsible should be prosecuted.

Also, the website should be shut down for putting up seditious documents.

I'd like to see that Moronic Prick from Jerai scream ... "U tak suka, u boleh keluar dari Malaysia" at the cops!

Would be interesting to see if the AAB or the Home Minister find the RMP's actions seditious.

Waiting with abated breath,.. nah I wont loose sleep over it though. It's Bolehland folks!

"re-pledged the Police's loyalty and allegiance to the Government."

Hmmm does the DiRaja part of PDRM mean they are subordinate to the King?

Anyway it seems there's an internal tussle going on between the coppers.

cheers

After a trying day with robbers and police, I decided to write this. I was accosted by a robber who demanded for money. I was a bit slow to respond, which made him think that I wanted to resist, so he thrust his weapon at me.

This incident forced me to set foot into the police station. With the bad memories of the last traumatic experience still in my brain, I was not sure how I would behave at the station.

I decided to be objective and talked to the couple of police officers who attended to me. I asked about their work, their pay, their families, their success rate in crime solving, their frustration, their ambition, their future etc. etc. etc.

I sense the sombre mood. I sense a tinge of bitterness. I sense low morale.

Somehow I like the guys I spoke to. They reminded me of two police officers whom I have forgotten all these years. I remember it was late at night when I drove to the police station to make yet another failed attempt to see the accused who was in the lockup. In disappointment, I decided to leave. As I was walking towards my car, two police officers walked alongside me. They spoke quickly and walked away. They told me something that later proved to be crucial in my family’s response to the case.

The two officers never asked for bribe or benefit. I don’t even know their names. I can’t even remember their faces. Perhaps, after seeing my family at the station day after day after day, they sensed our pain and despair. They made the decision to help us – voluntarily and willingly. Yes, now to think of it, also sincerely.

For what these two officers have done for my family, I’m thinking aloud – what can my family do to help?

JEFF OOI says: If any one has good experiences of good cops doing good deeds to them, please share with us.

Give our Cops a break - is there anyone who does not complain about their work conditions? Let the Cops speak their mind (we claim to be a Democratic Nation don't we?) & we should all move on as a Nation instead of blowing this issue out of proportions. The IPCMC issue & the petrol price hike demo incident have been weaved into an intricate fabric of public contempt for the cops by parties with vested interest. Some components of Barisan Nasional seems to be getting pretty restless & combining forces with The Three Stooges - Keadilan, PAS & the degenerated DAP. And if someone out there 'prays' & wants to know how I got this 'info' - a little permutation & combination of Malaysian political logic will generate the same. CUI BONO?

Respect intelligence and deep thinking, permutation and combination - but just wondering - if workers have an issue against the management, does this make it right for them to threaten to burn the factory down ?
Agree with the weaving part - but some facts stand out too clearly to be ignored - i.e. we are prepared to light the fire, part.
Agree with Jeff - all of us have friends in the force - let's now try to show that we are only looking at the weaknesses of a few, and that there are many that we are proud to associate ourselves with.
Sorry - don't understand "CUI BONO".

As days pass, I am begining to miss our great Tun M. In his days, there is no such thing as insubordination. At least there is somebody in charge. Like what I mentioned in Mr Nice Guy or Not in Control and Er.. who's in charge? now with Mr Nice Guy, everybody is in-charge. How long more can Malaysia carry on like this? Tun may have made some mistakes in his time but at least somebody is in charge and there is no insubordination. The corporal who posted the document should be charged. He should not even be in the Police force. Imagine have policeman like him who will only carry out his duty if he feels like it. Things will just get worse. In the end everybody will stand up against the government and then everybody loose!