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This is so shit.The police are already not doing a VERY GOOD job .They should put their face into the cow dung.How can they threaten the GOV by voting the opposition & the GOV dont have the control over the Police.

End of the day,we will still suffer form the slackness of police and GOV.

hey i also blog on this early this morning. i suppose this will be the hot topic at the moment.

PDRM sounds very arrogant indeed. not only did they made this threat (vote for opposition) but look carefully, there are other threats.

notice that in this PDRM's special bulletin, they also stated that the IPCMC will 'undermines the ruling coalition's power'. hmm... was PDRM telling us that now they are giving a lot of power to the ruling coalition? no wonder, the police is always against whatever the opposition do... even if they are right.

rather childish of RPM is my opinion.

The government being threathen by the police force? How embaressing. The Police Force: The people who makes no mistakes and they are always right and others are always wrong eventhough the wrong are right. Ask questions later but Shoot, hit, kick and everthing else as in bully, thats what being projected

my,my, the standard of English at the PDRM website is atrocious. Hmm, alright forget the standard, but look at the grammar!

Anyway, this is serious. Such threats from PDRM seems like a threat to national security. Did you guys read clause (i): Biar jenayah naik ? At present, the crime rate is already on the rise.

Action has to be taken by the Government. Serious action. Can you imagine what would happen if , say , the Ministry of Health came up with similar threats?

Let's face it, no one has confidence in the govt under the present leadership.

Our country is indeed going, if not gone , to the dogs

Voting for someone does not mean they will do what you want. I believe that the Opposition are proponents of the IPCMC, unless I'm mistaken. Poor cops.

put yourself in the policemen's position, how would you like to have an independent commission to dictate who should be dismissed and demoted?
if i were a policeman, i definitely would not want this.
i think the police in penang are doing a relative good job. other states, i do not know.

the police are entitled to their opinion..they have rights too..that is the right to be heard...

but question is what will AAB do..

My answer....he will do nothing and say nothing...as usual..DO NOTHING AND SAY NOTHING..nothing!!!!!!

He is PM and Hoe Minister..so let's see how he call the shots..

sorry..Hoe minister,,should read Home Minister

arcanum, if the Police is indeed doing a good job then there is no need to oppose the IPCMC. What is there to fear? There would be almost no backlash. But we all know the truth, don't we? The police are merely a legalised triad. They are worse,IMO.

Threatening the Govt now, I see. What more can you expect from these legal crooks? That's is why this bunch of ingrates should be renamed the PRDM aka Polis Raja Di Malaysia.

"b. Kerja mengikut masa"
"c. Menolak elaun RM100 dan menuntut kerja 5 hari seminggu..."
"i. Biar jenayah naik" - i can't believe this is from policeman's mouth.

I can't find those statements on RMP site, but if truely from their mouth,
WE DEFINITELY NEED IPCMC NOW.

wow.I can't believe it, they are threatening the govt and the people. If they don't like it, just quit. See if they can get a job elsewhere with the the extra perks;). and off course 5 day week. But wait with such poor english, maybe a guard job. Ok let them switch jobs with the nepalese.

This is too much. And yes please vote for opposition

Pak Lah should be stern in his approach in dealing with these "Little Napoleons", the whole 90,000 of them. Pak Lah: establish the IPCMC, and prove that you are really committed at reforming the corrupt and rebellious police force.

P/S: Polis tak sedar diri, buat malu nusa, bangsa, dan negara aje.

The ultimate Boss of the PDRM is the Home Minister right?
If so then this is a mutiny or insubordination in corporate terms.
Sometimes the PM must show who is the boss !
I would definitely gun down the 'leaders' and clean up the house. Now PDRM what next the RMAF/RMR then the Customs and Immigration ..........
......Tapi semuanya OK!

If this is true, the Govt. must prepare to sack all these scumbags & recruit new ones. This is the pits of insubordination & a threat to the solidarity, integrity & security of Malaysia.
If the threat to let the crime rate rise is true - hope the cops are robbed first since they appear to be the most corrupt, enmassing heaps of black money. The Govt. can help by posting the financial portfolio of all the opposing cops on the net!
In retrospect, do we see the gloved hand of THE INFAMOUS THREE STOOGES - 'dan bui'Keadilan, 'pissed off' PAS & 'empty vessel' DAP!

When people say the police force is made up of lowly-educated people, I didn't want to believe that. Now, not only do I believe, they had even confirmed it as fact. I have nothing against lowly-educated people as long as they don't make a fool of themselves.

It's up to Pak Lah to either be bulied or crack that whip.

Pak Lah, have faith in the Almighty. Do it with the right intention, and God willing, the truth will prevail.

Wow....i find RMP or the person who wrote those s*** so unprofessional and childish.
Biar jenayah naik? wow...if i'm Pak Lah, i'll sack this guy.
Laksanakan core business sahaja...they are not even doing their core business right at the moment. Gee...must be thinking with their behind!

how about this la? this is awesome. now the police are trying to squeeze gomen (or is it AAB?) by the nuts and force a response. so who will blink? what does it hold for the future of the blinker? too much at stake here. playing with fire la. in the meantime, corruption and crime rate goes through the roof. let's see what the vocal nazri ajis has to say about all this.

Pak Lah, please do not let these people hold your balls. They will whine endlessly and eventually, the Malaysian police force will be worse than Thai police: more corrupt, more samseng, more MALUFYING to our neighbour countries. Pak Lah, be a man... Do the right thing!

i repeat my earlier post..

AAB will do nothing

If the Govt give way today that's the end of it. The polis will henceforth act with impunity and do whatever they like. It will be almost impossible to U-turn after this. The people will suffer even more. The Govt MUST NOT give way, implement the IPCMC NOW!!!

Samseng do what samseng think.

This is really FUNNY.... Implement IPCMC? will it work?
current leader of police force should be chopped immediately, BRAINLESS. Nak OBJECT, use another way lah, this is TOO STUPID, really stupid, very stupid....

I can imagine why the crime rate is so high. coz of the stupid head.. er.. too many heads to be chopped...

LoL. Yes, vote for the people who are pushing harder to get the IPCMC formed.

You see, these people are now finally showing their racist side. All the notable opposition parties and NGO's with the exception of PAS had already made their support of the IPCMC public.

Art Chan said "sorry..Hoe minister,,should read Home Minister".

Actually, AAB is the hoe minister i.e. hoe = cangkul = agriculture = one of AAB's strategy pillars. Gotta take care of the pakciks and makciks in the kampungs.

Other than that, AAB is all bluster. Now, even the Police is challenging his authority. Tantrums to "let crimes increase, and to vote the opposition" smacks of childishness.

And parents smack such mis-behaviour. So, Mr AAB, how about it? You gonna smack 'em?

It is indeed shocking to see statements like this being made in the official website of PDRM. Though I am very much in favour of the IPMC, the police force has every right to be unhappy about it.

However, it is indeed shocking and dishearthening to learn that the Police intend to hold the society at ransom by allowing crime rate to rise.

There should be a major revamp of the police force. Though the statements made were wrong, it shows that the morale is indeed low. Possibly the constant negative image portrayal by the media and poor remuneration of the force is to be blamed.

The govt. should probably take action against the culprit and not allow the police force to hold Malaysian society ransom.

d kingpin is telling the pm to watch it. but our pm will close one ear and eye on this case as well. semuanya ok. in the end the pdrm will say some one hacked into their system n posted the msg. it is like giving pak lah a slap on the face and our dear pm just turned the other cheek. imagine ur son telling u that and giving ultimatum. if my son did that i would hv sent him to kingdom come. but of cos when it comes to politics, they are one big happy family.

Yumcious...

if this (insubordinaton)happened during Tun's time..the CPO would have been given the walking certificate...and AAB has proven only one thing with his indecision...NO GUTS

So your question "whether he will smack em"
..

My answer...hahahaha..you must be joking....if he smack em and they really vote for opposition.. how?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGbROsUTrtc

NTV7 Wakenabeb - Polis Tak Ada Kerja Lain?

http://blog.limkitsiang.com/?p=543#more-543

Police, too busy for reform?

Time & Date: May 29, 2006 @ 15: 35.05
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The following email from HJ on the videoclip must be as disturbing to all readers as to the sender:

I was browsing through You Tube (a very addictive experience), and stumbled across this video. It is from an NTV7 program called WAKENABEB.

In a nutshell, this show features practical jokes and pranks being carried out on celebrities – mostly harmless. But this particular episode which features the police making an arrest really disturbs me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGbROsUTrtc

It appears that the police have too much time on their hands and are willing to coorporate with prodcution companies to produce entertainment, but seem to be unwilling to take any serious effort to “reform”. (more…)

Police can vote?
THAT is news.

Not before IECMC(Independent Election Commisions Monitoring committee) establish.

Is this blackmailing?

Can point i. be taken as "bersuhabat" with the jenayah?

This aint the first time some gov bodies is backmailing the country.. I remember sometimes back the Custom dept also warns that their performance will also drop if they are continuesly critised only to be retracted back later.

What is the matter with this country? Everything seems to have broken down. Since when a uniformed force is allowed to threaten the government of the day. This a blatant lack of discipline. Whether the police has a case or not, this must not be seen as 'threatening' the government of the day, however 'bad' this government is!
The government cannot allow this to go unchecked. The bottom of the matter must be found. There seems to be an unseen hand. No wonder, the police in the eyes of the people are taking the matters into their own hands. Sounds very serious. Who cares, if the policemen in their private capacity vote for any party they like. But to 'threaten' the government of day on an enmass basis sounds ridiculous, not to say it is absurd.
If the police has been doing a good job, for that matter I always believe that they can, then there is no need to have an independent commisssion to monitor their performance. It is because the exisiting mechanism has fallen and rotted that an independent commission is the order of the day.

Perhaps, the scope of the independent commission should be that of the ICAC of Hong Kong which took over a decade to clean up the police force of HK. This country needs this kind of commission to ensure that every government department is kept within line.

In fact, there is a need to monitor all government agencies which deal with the people. Not just the police force but also the various town, city and municipal councils especially those wearing uniforms and in the name of enforcement and check whether they are doing an honest job. Hoprrible stories have come out of those having to pay fines to the authorities and the ever willingness of staffs who offer services to have fines reduced! Look what has happened, the sum paid is not the sum stated in the receipt....and wondering whether there is another set of equipment doing the printing.Things like this, make the people feeling disgusted, but then anything can be done?

You swore to defend the country and its people.

You swore to protect the innocent and to uphold justice.

You swore to be above self and uphold your life motto of Bersih, Cekap dan Amanah.

Now, you say Biar Jenayah Naik! If that Jenayah happens to you or your love ones then it's because of your sumpah. Be warned and don't take likely your sumpah.

despite my comments of AAB doing nothing and saying nothing....

I just hope that he will open his mouth and say something and take action...if not...not only malaysians in general think he is lembik...but even his own UMNO people will think he is soft..and with the second liners waiting to "usurp" his presidency...any inaction on his part will just strengthen the other camp....

Most people here are very quick to point out the faults of the police and how deplorable this action is which it is, a uniformed body is subordinate to the civilan government.

What should also be considered is the points raised by the police. Some of the points raised are valid, legal and should be studied first before anyone goes with the commission. In the quest to make the country more transparent, we should not forget that we who barks at the wrong doings of others, must also always be in the right, by fulfilling legal requirements and not knee jerked to every little crisis.

Policing is a thankless job, especially here in Malaysia. Most citizenry really have forgotten the good work that the police do (or any uniformed body for that matter) and concentrate only on the mistakes.

alfabob..
the commission is not after the good cops..we recognize there are many good cops..but what are the good cops afraid of..if you follow the rules,,you don't get hauled up, only the bad cops..and mind you with many reports of police abuse etc etc..the IPCMC is good thing to have for the police..at least the honest hardworking sincere policeman..will not have in his company bad hats

Fair enough Art Chan.. but review the legal requirements and give the police the same level of protection that we require ourselves.

As with the case of the ICMP,who does it report to, where does it derive its powers from, who will hold it accountable? Those are valid concerns that should be addressed, not throw it out the window as if its a child giving out a tantrum.

Alfa,

We require police protection for prevention and safety from Jenayah, but the RMP here is requesting protection from ….. and I think you know what. If I’m innocent and a law abiding person, I believe there’s nothing to fear, do I? Okay, noted that within the current system, there’s some check and balance but this is not working. The whole system is just not working. Have you personally experienced the corruption within the system?

Would it be fair to say that if the Commission is to incorporate some of the valid arguments and points, and that the RMP still welcome IPCMC? Is this their request or just to throw the whole issue off tangent? Look at their arguments including letting Jenayah reign. Let’s salute those heroes who labor for us whether in rain or shine, risking their lives or spending time from their families but let’s give the right people the DIGNITY and COURAGE to do the RIGHT THING.

Alfa,

So the police threatening "Biar jenayah naik" is correct??

What type of bullsh*t is this?? This is utter nonsense.

Even titanic sinks when it hit iceberg,... wonder how long and when Bolehland will last since it's now more or less rudderrless under AAB.

Hey, thinking a little laterally:-
If the ACP, President of the Senior Police Officers Association, really wants to make its feelings have full effect, instead of simply threatening their list of actions against the Govt, they should actually insist on the IPCMC, since that will be consistent with their point No. 4 - "Core business".

If the PDRM seriously and diligently carry out their "core business" then they will be fully justified, with their powers and legal authority, to go after all the present crop of Govt politicians and senior VVIPs who have files with both SB and themselves, and even the ACA, for all allegations of corruption, abuse of powers, threatening behaviour, sexual misdemeanours, commercial crimes, etc..etc.

IMHO, there is very little doubt that the Rakyat are suspicious that many files are held back from action on the orders of the past and present leadership.

I'd say to the President of the SPOA:- PLEASE DO your "core business". That will be the way to show your "professionalism".

Now, please insist on the IPCMC so that you have the tool to DO A PROFESSIONAL JOB. Particularly, if as a result of the PDRM doing its "core business" PROFESIONALLY, sincerely and diligently, some key V.V.I.Ps and Govt politicians find themselves facing the music, then you hAve nothing to fear from the formation of the IPCMC.

Isn't that a better strategy instead of being confrontational with the Govt? You may even get public support for your stand if you can assure that in acting professionally (being a key the basis of the clamour for the formation of the IPCMC), the PDRM succeed in going after and bringing successful prosecution against the bad corrupted individuals within the politicians and govt circles.

3rd Gen,

Since when did I say it was okay for them to threaten the government?? I just said that whatever mechanisms used to implement the IPMC must be done legally, and that the legal rights of the policemen too are protected.

Pak Lah should instill fear in the police force if he is threathen.The entire police force should go or revamp if they threathen him with voting for the oppositions in the next election.In fact,the police force is disgraceful to come-out with this ultimatum if the IPCMC would be enforced.Why are they so scared and I believe there must be a hidden agenda,right?Pak Lah should not be soft in handling this issue and dismiss the culprit or else his leadership is at stake as his motto or"cemerlang,germilang and terbilang" is just like a wind blowing away.

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