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yep that looks like 'minimal force' to me, only using arms and leg, not using those cota yet... *sic* i wonder what they'd use if they were given guns

These masochists should have their police id number clearly exposed on their jackets, so the real culprits can be brought to trial .
This is the case in many countries.

So the IGB defended that it was minimum force used as shown in the pictures. What if slightly more minimum force used would mean breaking arms and legs only. Then another slightly more minimum force used would be the victim will be in coma. Then slightly more minimum force used would be sudden ... .
Really this is not helping the image of the police.
Please IGP the public is not challenging the police. All the public wants is an independent body to investigate in cases where there's abuse of police power by only those bad apples.
The public still need and want the right type of policing in the nation where we can be proud of and be confident with that they will protect the public and safeguard the public and private properties. Isn't that what the police are for in the first place.

Literally getting to the 'root' of the problem? A picture says a thousand words - who are the 'players' at the scene - notice the distinguished attire of the 'citizens'? It may be a coincidence but it is just an observation, food for thought...

He does not look like Jackie Chan nor Bruce Lee to me. 4 men harassing 1 unarmed poor fella is not minimal force. it's bully!

Wow ... they really took the saying "The Pen is Mightier Than the Sword" dead seriously ...

Of course that's minimum force.

I mean, it's obvious. The IGP would of course be speaking of personal experience, and has obviously first hand experience of being the recipient of 'minimum force' policing.

Granted, I bet he healed a lot faster in those reckless, heady days of yore... and I bet blood really does wash off primary school uniforms quite well.

They really should ban all the phones with camera. They make the truth so inconvenient.

All the more there is a need for the IPCMC. Need we say more?

Also, how come there are no support against the Polis' high-handedness by the Barisan National? Are they quietly supporting that the action by the Polis is correct?

That's what you get for a majority government.

What do you expect. FIFA world cup is around the corner and the police are as axcited and eager as any fans. Be grateful that the finals of the rugby world cup will not be played for another two years. I will not want to mess around with our police force then.

"minimal force"? what nonsense? from the pictures, all i can see were FOUR armed with batons policemen pushing, hitting & kicking ONE helpless man.

there is absolutely unnecesary to use force on people who demonstrate peacefully. the government should ask themselves first what the rakyat is upset about? why did people demonstrate in the first place?

ok, now I understand what is meant by "minimum force" and "self defense". So he is comparing shooting with guns and kicking with iron padded boots.

Right, they were merely defending because he tried to approach the police with his booklet

When the victim was on the floor, seems like three other police join in and defended themselves, they start kicking him because his booklet was still in his hand. Wow! A group of police, all holding shields and weapons, was defending themselves from a helpless man lying on the floor!

When the police think the boots do not have enough force, in fact they think it was minimal force, they were trying to defend with their baton. If baton not enough, the last resort would be gun.

Is that what is meant by "self defense" by the IGP?

Any unarmed person approaching them, is it deemed trying to attack? So they have the right to "defend". In fact, their "defend" means massive attack.

Justifying self-defense: Force likely to cause death or great bodily harm is justified in self-defense only if a person reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent death or great bodily harm.

Self-defense justifiable? You tell me, En. Omar.

I think the victim ( Zahir Hassan? ) should join Amran Zulkifli (whose bloody head and blood-soaked T-shirt graphically illustrated the "minimal force" used by the FRU that Sunday) to pursue legal action against the members of the police force who took part in beating and kicking him. I think at least two of the culprits can be indentified by means of the three photos sent by Shahnun Ahmad.

If the IGP was previously unaware of the extent of force used by his men on that Sunday, the 3 photos should have given him quite an adequate idea of what actually transpired. Perhaps he will now do the necessary, and initiate proceedings within the Police system to review the evidence against the FRU men, and properly discipline and punish the wrong-doers should the findings concur with what many of the public already think about the force used.

until n unless these flers taste their own ubat they dont know what min. force means.

what crap is the IGP talking about defending themselves? did you see how those morons were protected? They've got their batons, the shields and look at the body armour on them?

what next? the PDRM going to go after the photographers of the above pics? (like in the Chinese lady in the lock-up thingy )?

Mr PM where are you? Are you even listening? Where is your dignity and self respect? You've lost our trust for good.... Sigh......

This is sick. Minimum use of force my foot IGP. Shall we do a demo on you. The poor man is helpless against well armed man, oh yeah his damn booklet is dangerous, he might throw that at your men. My vote sympathy vote is for keadilan next GE.I really would like to swear but screw you IGP. Glad you are gone soon. God will judge you and may he have mercy on you.

In Bakri's, and the PDRM's, closeted worldview coupled with their perverse understanding of policing, the best form of defence, (or as demonstrated in this case "self-defence"), is TO ATTACK.

**** Habis-lah *****

Normally I would reserve words like "stupid", "idiot", "nincompoop", "moron" and such to politicians as, as all over the world, they well deserve and earn these. Generally with beaurocrats and government officials and professionals we use more reverant terms. But somehow, it would seem like the Police chief has, maybe without realising, wandered into the political domain. And in one go has earned all those descriptives at one go. A record I would say.

But then again, he has trained all these men in blue and they do need to put to practice some of their hard goten skills isn't it? So if once in a while you get a bunch of demonstrators, maybe the police look upon these demonstrators as volunteering for national duty!..LEtting themselves be kicked and beaten with batons and shields and so on.

But then again for the Malaysian police this is a good practice session. At the very least the police should thank these volunteers....Otherwise they will become quite rusty....At least I can imagine the police viewing it in this way.

jeff, send these pictures (and more, if you and other screenshot readers have any) to the foreign media.

i can't wait for the backlash...

Jeff, we have to keep the police force accountable for their actions. Since the boo-boo letter was "accidentally" published on their website, the police are looking more and more rediculous by the minute.

Since when we started taking Inspector General of Police Mohd Bakri Omar's words seriously? I no longer believe anything and everything he utters.

And to him, I would like to remind him of his age, as he is approaching death, closer every minute. He can give us all sorts of excuses and puffed-up fairytale, but let him be reminded that in front of Allah, he will not be able to convince the Cretor like he tried on us Malaysians. He is a leader, and in Islam, a leader is accountable for defending and ensuring the safety and well being of the people, contrary to what he allows his men to do.

Sorry Jeff, I didn't mean to sway off topic but I had to...

I believe this is a "show" put up by the Police too

THey by now should know of the publicity they will garnered if they do anything like this. They of all should be aware that news travel faster on the Internet despite the mild-blackout on mainstream media.

With this much of photos and videos circulating in the Internet, yet he can still claim it was only mild force applied?

Subjectively speaking It IS minimum force !
All these would not have happened if Tenaga had done the obvious thing as some reader have mentioned which is reduce electricity tariff NOT increase so that everyone can install more aircons and the hotels can be encouraged to Light up with cheap rates.
I don't understand why when you use more you pay higher tariff !!!.....Tenaga please take a leaf from the telcos who keeps dropping prices and their profit keeps going UP.
C'mon after all the IPP are already charging Tenage for unsued /overcapacity power !
Sell Sell Sell but now people will save on power and Tenaga ends up paying for MORE unsed electricity !!!!!!.....Betul Tak ?

Solly I meant unused electricity in my last sentence !

richL, although a mistake was made by u in the last line, I must say what you meant was dead right. I had started to lessen my electricity consumption, although my household falls below the 200kW category. I should not be affected but TNB had given me the nudge to conserve and pay less. But you are damn right about the increasing unused and unsold electricity which TNB will now have to find other ways to pay for because consumers use less and their profit dwindled. Man, just when you thot privatisation is supposed to make an organization run more efficiently! You are damn right about the telcos. They can create competition and still win. Maybe the government should open electricity supply to all the IPPs, make the competition stiff and make the market drive the price down. That will teach TNB a lesson about business. Man, TNB now appears to be as stupid as the police force. And all these had to happen during Pak Lah's reign. I didn't say what is going thru your mind now, ok!

Question: Does Bakri knows or do not know about his violent pack of samseng?

Yes of course..but he got no balls to come out and reprimand them for excessive violence. If he condemns his men despite the incriminating photo and video evidence..he will be treated like a pariah by his own..

He supported IPCMC in the beginning..but when he sensed mutiny by his men...he did the best for himself....he sided with the police...now he doesn't know which side to be on......

Haiya .. that fella just a Keadilan opposition troublemaker mah .. just unfortunate it wasn't a PAS radical ..

.. trust me .. some people actually justify this for themselves in exactly the same manner as elucidated above.

ZOMG. They are ganking a fella citizens.

BTW, KLCC is a foreign tourist and photo journalist hot spot. The photo is one of the best example of "1st world infrastructure, 3rd world mentality".

samsengs in uniform.

i think i fear the PRDM more than i fear the triads.

anyway, from the picture, i find that what IGP said is quite true....minimal force was used because that helpless man is still alive. No one was killed that sunday. So, minimal force was used.

Bear in mind that the pictures show what the photographers want to show. You are all reacting to an incident based on 3 photos here and a few more in the previous article. What is shown is really no different from the police breaking up protestors at the WTF conference, or any other events overseas. The assembly was not legal, and those taking part was asked to disperse many times before the police acted.

I really do wonder how people expect police officers to apprehend those who are resisting arrest without resorting to some pressure. Obviously, in a situation such as this, someone will get hurt, but those who are precipated the whole incident. The question that needs to be asked by yourselves is how would you disperse a crowd who does not want to be dispersed, without putting up some force?

The charge of excessive force by security personnel is something that comes out of any conflict, or civil insurrection, yet most civillians can't comprehend the utter impracticality in not using force in situations such as what was reported.

"The question that needs to be asked by yourselves is how would you disperse a crowd who does not want to be dispersed, without putting up some force?"
Maybe, arrest a few, take them off to court to be charged, and the rest fade away ? But I suppose beating a guy senseless is more efficient.

Just wondering -- but might this not be a knee-jerk reaction to the Article 11 incident in Penang? Granted neither of them are directly, or indirectly for that matter, connected, but; what if they were acting this way on orders from above, a directive to be harder on this "mob rule" that seems to be germinating?

Just my thoughts.

alfabob...

they were "attacked" when they were dispersing according to reports

And you must be bloody stupid to face off with a well armoured police in full riot gear.

And whether it is one or two..the police have no right to "bash" any one.

the man already on the floor. he is unarmed and also outnumber 1 to 4. he is wearing plain clothing while the police are in riot gear. probably we should always look on the bright side, probably the police officers are helping the man get up by using their feet since their hands are full. hmm how nice are those police officers. we should thank them. yes i'm being sarcastic.

I am dumbfounded on how you come to the conclusion that did everything by the book. dispersing a peaceful demostration using water cannon is consider minimal force, kicking a defenceless man on the floor is not.

Corrupt officials will use lies, propaganda and fear to keep themselves in power. The absence of a free media is the trademark of such regimes.

Nothing difference between them and the methods used by the authoritarian regimes of China, North Korea and Vietnam.

another show of intimidation by those in power agst the powerless...
it's quite unfortunate that there is limited media coverage on this.
the government is an elected body empowered by the rakyat to run the country...
why can't the rakyat be given the freedom to express dissatisfaction over certain decision made by the governing body?
Surpressing the freedom of expression does not contain the notion of disatisfaction.
The government should listen to what the rakyat has to say and promote greater transparency in their decision making machinery...
power to the people...