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From now on i will never buy any motorola products again.

Not too big a surprise coming from MMU there, though I have heard of worse scenarios in other (local) universities...

But then again, since when does religion/race became a "Requirement"?

This is so *off*.

er... we're malaysian right? so why RACE issue become a requirement in scholarship programme?

Not surprised at all that it's happening in M'sia. But what's surprising is that Motorola, an MNC, supposedly with HQ in the US-the home of human rights allowed this to happen. It's baffling, honestly. Perhaps we should look to Motorola and ask why they have allowed their scholarship to be presented this way? I'm sure they're after engineers who can do the job, not engineers who are malays or indians, etc. But then again, if they're offering the scholarship to those who only need to get a 3.0CGPA, perhaps grades are not what they're after?

So, voltronking, you probably aren't missing out much if you don't buy motorola products in the future. How can reliability and security be ensured if they're hiring engineers based on race and not merit?

Discrimination in any form is bad, and should not be tolerated. I'm quite surprised that a company like Motorola would do such a thing. That said, we Malaysians are not unused to this are we? I mean, apart from the gazillion bumiputera sahaja requirements in this country, all one needs to do is open the classified section of a newspaper to see many jobs advertised as Chinese preferred. Some choose to hide behind a rather safe requirement of 'must be able to speak Chinese'. So, really, why the hoo hah?

chinese is consider foreigner? or chinese is consider 3rd grade citizen not worth to mention? or chinese is not good enough?

perhaps next time when I meet someone from oversea, should I introduce that "i'm chinese" instead of "i'm malaysian"?

Read this. Stunts like what MMu-Motorola is trying to pull here is totally against efforts to foster national unity.

On a hind note, maybe job adverts that carry lines like 'must be able to speak Chinese' probably are those that deal with businesses with countries like China.

But this is really out of the line.

I spent about 11 years overseas and only had one experiene of being discriminated. I complained to the manager of the restaurant and he got the waiter to apologise, to my face. Now I'm back in the country of my birth and this!!

Yes I know this happens in Malaysia everyday just by looking around but we shouldn't put up with it. Pro malay, pro chinese or whatever. We don't (can't or won't) talk about it, address it and move on to creating this vision (or is it ... oh what's that word where you're really thirsty in desert and you see an oasis but it is not really there...well you know what I'm saying lah...) of a bangsa malaysia.

Wha lau... time to complete those migration papers that have been in the in tray.

First of all I am not shocked that this still happens....secondly, this is the VERY FEW instances where I actually see something to the advantage of the Indian community.....anyway, thats not the reason for me to write this...but whats so new about this jeff?

Haven't you seen the millions of flyers stuck around USJ signboards, overhead bridges, job postings inside shops in Summit Mall that advertise jobs available, X race prefered? or rooms for rent, ONLY X need apply?? Or jobs in newspapers with preference for X race??

So why is this new and shocking? I have grown up reading all this advertisments...and 99% of the time, I am automatically disqualified for jobs or room rentals etc..

Flood them with emails at:
mkt@mmu.edu.my

Mine is already out!

So, Jeff?
What's the problem here? I can pick out at least 10 ads in the Star every day that points out they want someone who can write and converse in chinese... discrimination? Forget about bangsa Malaysia if we the rakyat still wants to be known as melayu, cina, india or lain-lain. Worse, when we feel envious our "brethren" of other races get better priveleges... Forget it as long as we still bring up issues like this.

this is normal in mmu buletin board, alot of buletin post like that in the past also...

It might be worth clarifying with Motorola first whether or not they are aware of the racial requirements set out in the scholarship advertisements.

For all we know, it may have been MMU who implemented the racial requirement on their own, without Motorola's prior knowledge (in which case, I certainly hope Motorola boycotts MMU).

If the requirement was indeed set out by Motorola, it'd be very surprising.

pro_moorthy

Obviously you can't even differentiate a skill and race.
Does mandarin speaking or writing skills necessary mean must be Chinese? Then what about job ads specified the candidate must be well verse in Bahasa Malaysia or English or even Tamil? Don;t tell me you never see such job ads before.

Nevermindlah, if they want to provide finance assistance to Indian, Indian-lah, Malay, Malay-lah.

This is what I think-lah but may not be true okay. Maybe the chinese who study in MMU are all rich fellows lah. So, motorola thinks no need to give them any assistance lah.

To add salt to the wound.
Does it mean race discrimination if job placements are advertised in the language of the respective language papers?

Question is why is the Education and Labour Ministries (or maybe other ministries/ngo) not say something on this?

pro_moorthy

Have u watched Astro channel 34 and 37? Gwai-los who are fluent in Mandarin are commonplace!

Don't tell me that only Chinese have the capability of conversing and writing in Mandarin.

In the US this would have been Discrimination…
In Malaysia, anything goes. Do note that a lot of ‘MNC’ are very much ‘Localised’, haven’t you heard of the Phrase “When in Rome, do what the Romans Do”
On the other hand, perhaps they were not given a choice to select which Scholarship they can support and it was a general decision they made to ‘support’ MMU in some way or another.

pro_moorthy,

actually many indians and malays can write and converse in mandarin and contonese... those are not discrimination. but when you specificallly specify a particular race, that's discrimination!

Compare the difference,

"I want chinese only"
"I want a malaysian who can speak chinese."

streetz

But as Jeff pointed out, the advertisement also excludes the Dayaks/Ibans and Kadazandusuns.

Besides, who's to say that Indians and Malays are not rich?

Likewise, not all Chinese are well-off. It's based purely on assumption.

well, duh! what did you expect...the moment I start walking into malls and the walls are plastered with "Chinese male/female wanted" I kinda got a clue...

we live in a racist country. everyone is selfish. the chinese hire chinese, the malays hire malays and the indians hire indians...and the only reason some companies tolerate other races is because there's government policy...

harsh, sad, and true....

malaysians are a lucky lot as we get to learn each other's languages from our neighbours. i envy our indian friends because it is them who are willing to learn chinese dialects from their chinese brethren. race-religion and language issues do not mix together especially in this country.

i'm sure MMU has a very very good explanation for this. Hopefully its just referring to languages and not the race issue. if what they have put up is really true to the point, then all i can say is bye-bye bangsa malaysia and welcome nazi-style rethorics in our country.

I thought that only pointy-head politicians are irresponsible for this ugliness. Don't let it infect us as ordinary citizens of Malaysia.

My 2 sens worth...

kacang_inc

I am VP of an American In ternational Business consulting firm, with a representative office here in Malaysia, We have been using Motorola telephones for our company world wide for the last 7 years. We purcahse on average around 650 phones a year. I just had a teleconference with or marketing department and President of our company. In so which, we have contact the VP of Motorola in Penang and have made a recorded complaint against Motorola and told them we are extremely disappointed with Motorola associating themself with a program that would discriminate so openly. Thus we are seriously considering no longer using any motorola product for our company, posting a company wide memo highlighting why with a copy of the website information and also poiting this out to out to various newspapers as well in the US. We have also contacted the HJQ office in SCHAUMBURG Illinois, USA. We are waiting for their official responce to us on this matter. We find this to be unbecoming of an international company that offers scholarships worldwide.

ks,

good point mmmm.... either motorola or mmu got some explaination to do....

I have to concur with Aput83 that Malaysia is indeed a racist country. Things have not gotten better since independence. All this govt. propanganda we hear from the govt. claiming that Malaysians are more united than during colonial rule is crap.

As a matter of fact, we Malaysians are much more divided than before. During the colonial days and Tunku era which is the 60's , Malaysians were actually more united then. The best of schools were the missionary schools whereby you see a fair mix of races. The same applies to govt. departments when non-Malays do make a sizeable portion of the total staff force. In 1960's, Chinese made up almost 70% of the pilots in RAF and the Admiral of the Navy was an Indian.

Today, the civil service is predominantly Malays. Chinese do not go to National schools and simply not attracted to join the civil service, police and the military. Things have definitely not improved for the group of Indians who still live in the estates which status quo has not changed since.

On the other hand, I enjoyed the variey of food and cultures we have here. I do somewhat agree with Kacang postings that we Malaysians are exposed to a lot of other languages.

I guess the best things we Malaysian can be proud of is the ability to swear and curse the four letter words in more than four languages; malay, english, indian, hokkien, cantonese hakka etc.

My office jsut recieved a telephone call from a Ms Khoo, Admin to the VP of Malaysian Motorola. In which she stated that they are aware of the posting and it is wrong and it should have been opened to "all" students in Malaysia and they have instructed MMU to remove the posting and correct it with the next day or two. We will wait and see if this is the case or not. She stated that it was wrongly published and Motorola does not make it a practice to offer programs based on race and they would never support such a move.

even now if they change and open to ALL, u think the REST of the ALL will get a scholarship? It will still go to the THEIR ppl and now that they are smarter, they will use this OPEN to ALL gimmick next time when in actual fact it is only meant for ONE RACE.

"My office jsut recieved a telephone call from a Ms Khoo, Admin to the VP of Malaysian Motorola. In which she stated that they are aware of the posting and it is wrong and it should have been opened to "all" students in Malaysia and they have instructed MMU to remove the posting and correct it with the next day or two. We will wait and see if this is the case or not. She stated that it was wrongly published and Motorola does not make it a practice to offer programs based on race and they would never support such a move."

great...so now from being honest about being racist, you get them to lie and be racist too....

i think the honest version was enough, don't you...?

Jeff,

You and many of the other bloggers may be viewing this Motorola/MMU advert as being racist because of the explicit mention of "Indian" in one of them. I doubt you would have winked an eye-lid if the second advert applicable to only Malays had appeared. You have seen thousands of similar ones and this would have been "normal" to you.

Kene

Good Job! rmo!

maybe the reason for this ad is that they have given the scholarship to chinese students already..now trying to fill the quota for indians and malays? possible rite...far fetched but possible...

most of us are actually in the same boat as jigsawpuzzle...no way that this situation is gonna change anytime soon....gov talk all...tak boleh pakai la...no matter how much they talk abt all gonna be done according to merit...the ppl who do the selection still look out for race...sad....:(

Jeff,

My apologies - there was a typo error in my earlier posting. The correct one is shown below:

You and many of the other bloggers may be viewing this Motorola/MMU advert as being racist because of the explicit mention of "Indian" in one of them. I doubt you would have winked an eye-lid if ONLY the second advert applicable to Malays had appeared. You have seen thousands of similar ones and this would have been "normal" to you.

Kene

Hold your horses folks ...i worked for this company for almost 5 yrs ...if there is any company that is NOT racist ...Motorola is such a company! If you are looking at racist company, look at the one situated opposite of Motorola penang! Motorola was always afari employer to my knowledge, manager even have goals to make sure the work environment is balanced gender wise to make sure both male's & female have equal opportunity to work @ Mot!

The is most probably an error of MMU and NOT motorola, if Motorola actually did this, someone high up there in Penang or Mot KL would have lost their JOB! When it comes to Ethics ..i have seen any company as strict as Motorola!

So for all of you who have been posting hate posts, i understand yoru anger, i am as mad as you, but having experianced the Motorola way of life, i know for sure this isnt their way of working! Not here in Malaysia, nor in Motorla global!

So, please do not jump into conclusion and blame Motorola for this untill one gets a clarification on this matter!

rmo,

can you sahre with me, who's the VP you contacted in Penang, if you missed thr right person, i can probably point you to the correct person, though i dont work for them anymore!

Thanks

As a MMU graduate myself, I am pretty sure that the race requirement was added by the MMU staff, and not from motorola.

The race requirements have been removed, but this line has been added instead.

- Bumiputeras meeting the above requirements are strongly
encouraged to apply.

Perhaps we should wait and see who in the end get the scholarships.

aput83

"they are aware of the posting and it is wrong and it should have been opened to "all" students in Malaysia... it was wrongly published."

Motorola is thus not to blame in this incident. Somewhere along the line, SOMEONE from MMU probably decided to alter the advertisement without first consulting with Motorola, the company PROVIDING the scholarship in the first place.

What right did they have to do such a thing?

In my opinion, the responsible party should be held accountable as this is quite a serious matter. Motorola has been unfairly cast in a negative light because of this incident.

it seems like the page has been removed!

rmo, firstly allow me to give you a cyber pat on the back to you and your company's rapid response to this issue. We need more people like you in this world to make that little difference, albeit a tiny step towards some form of equality. So, kudos!

Although the page has disappeared, the damage has already been done. It is now immortalised on Jeff's blog (unless he chooses to remove it) and Motorola is seen to be racists in its policies. To me, I don't really believe that this is a mere oversight by Motorola or the doings of some overzealous MMU administrator. Where there is smoke, there is fire and Motorola's preferences could have been communicated verbally to those concerned in MMU, although they do not expect it to be so blatantly advertised on their bulletin board.

Even if Motorola says in the ad that it is open to all, what is most important are they truly practising what they preach? Or are they merely paying lip service to the word 'equality'?

Write to MOtorola and ask their corporate communication to respond!

If Motorola did or did not know, that is left to be seen, however, given the rapid responce, it is probable that they did not realize that the webpage had said that. I am sure we were not the only company or person to call and make a complaint, however that fact that we did call them and within an hour the page was removed and or changed tells me that perhaps they were not aware of it at the time and had taken the issue up with the univeristy. As for the line: "Bumiputeras meeting the above requirements are strongly
encouraged to apply." This is a normal line in a lot of job adds in the USA, African Americans, Women, Minorities strongly encouraged to apply. However in the US even though that is there, they do usually base their acceptance based on ability. However here I am afraid that will not be the case, that of course even those whom fall into the above group may have much lower abilities they will be given better treatment as in the past. The quotas in the states are usually set very low and also if you have two people with equal quliafications then the minority will usually recieve the chance.

As to the comment that if we had not contacted them they then at least it would have been out in the opena nd honest, well again, my fault was with Motorola and American company that we do business with, the website was not on their website and thus I am giving them the benefit of the doubt that they did not intend for that to be there, nor did they intend it to be a racial issue. I believe that was the school who had done that. After all this would be extremely bad for their brand marketing and they are not the leaders in handphones anymore and I would think they would not want to offend a sizable market population. But then again I could be wrong on that.

The person I spoke to was the Admin to the VP: her name is Ms. Kho or Khoo, we will be recieving a letter from them at my office in the next few days

But what logical motive would Motorola have to discriminate in this instance?

Employers don't often discriminate for the sake of discriminating. They are usually forced to do so because it is the customers who discriminate (eg. if you are doing business with a company from China, a Chinese-speaking employee would have an upperhand in sealing a deal).

In this case, we are talking about future mechanical/software engineers - people who more often than not work from behind the scenes. So why would Motorola discriminate in terms of race?

Hiya all you politically correct people, when the advert only mentions Malay only or bumi only need apply you keep quiet. Just because got mention Indian you make so much noise. LAst year also the same thing happened. whats your problem anyway? You think you got the balls to identfy yourself and make all the same noise when you see all those other advertisements int he papers and so on? Sure no la. You just accept it.

On the other hand, as many of you have pointed out, discrimination for positions (be it for academic places, scholarships, jobs, etc.) is relatively commonplace in the Malaysian society.

That's probably why I'm still convinced that Motorola had nothing to do with the racial discrimination in the advertisement.

this thing has happenned last year,when students responded why only certain races can apply,they respond that they have some quota system that means they want to fill up the quota for this race.this feedback come from motorola itself.

anyway,why are you so angry? chinese companies also practice double standard who want chinese people only. i can see also malay companies want malay people only..indian companies want indian people only..so I'm not surprised by this

I for one am upset becuase it is an American company that was listed, a company that premotes non-discriminiation. I to have seen ads in the paper for either only Chinese, etc, and I do think it is disgusting, in fact I believe that not only should race not be an issue but when applying for a job or university, you should not be asked what your religion is, you should never be asked to submit a photo of yourself and if you are married or not. I do not see how any of the above should have anything to do with a person's ability to perform his/her job or fulfill their education.

But as I said I work for an American company and we practice the same principles worldwide as we do in the US.

rmo,

Also as a former Motorola employee, I would say Motorola do business adhere to strict Ethics.

But due to the pressure from the government, the local branch needs to follow some unwritten rule - quota. Managers are "advised" to have a team which can reveal the racial composition of Malaysia beside practising a true meritocracy. This is especially true in a department which the boss is a bumi + umno putra.

Joejak, xweird, streetz...

I wrote: "What's the problem here? I can pick out at least 10 ads in the Star every day that points out they want someone who can write and converse in chinese... discrimination?"

What did I say wrong? Do you know how to read? I meant: Of course people advertise the skills they that they are looking for. Is that discrimination? I asked Jeff a question. And if you had read correctly, you wouldn't have jumped to conclusion that i meant it in a racist way. Pick up some reading skill, will you?

Aput83, I agree with you. this is not IDEALAND. This is Malaysia. As long as we regard each other as Chinese, Malay, Indian, Kadazan, Iban and whatever, we will remain divided.

I personally feel that the Chinese asking for the continuous existence of chinese schools also contribute to this non-Malaysian-spirit. If the Chinese indeed want to be known as an equal Malaysian (ie, no Malays, Chinese, Indian and whatever crap), are they willing to forgo that kind of privilege, and settle for Bahasa Cina being taught as a subject, rather than using the chinese language (Mandarin, I believe) as the medium of teaching? I know the chinese will criticise me for saying that, and I say so without fear or favour. That is merely my opinion, and one which the chinese community must look into, before they claim for equality. Are the Chinese, Malays, Indians and what have you, willing to be known collectively as MALAYSIAN, rather than by ethnicity? Answer that, and you will see how far we are from the existence of a Bangsa MALAYSIA. Don't get me wrong: I am all for the Bangsa MALAYSIA, and I am willing to discard my ethnic identity to be truely identifiable as a MALAYSIAN. Anyone feels like joining me?

My present company/department also followed Malaysian racial composition. This is because my company aim is to build a good relationship with the government, hoping to get a government project in return.

Chaps, I apologise, but I do have to agree with Keene on this one. Secondly, 'ability to speak ...' is merely a racial preference disguised. Last, we are pointy-headed Nazis - we are an anti-semitic nation, and we have UMNO Youth's 'Belia 4B' (FYI: the team tasked with making the annihilation of Europe's Jews, Gypsies, Socialists, gays, et al, was called 'Department IV B'.

Colour me silly, but what's the big fuss about the racist tendencies espoused and practised by us 'Malaysians'?

even if we call oursleves msian and willing to cast away our identity, we will still be stereotype as chinese, malay, indian by our skin color.

If an Indian company/boss wants to hire only Indians, that's his own matters. If a Chinese company/boss wants to hire only Chinese, that's his own matters too. Same goes to Malays.

But we are talking about a Malaysian University now, which is supposed to provide equal opportunity to all malaysians students.

Groo,

The change will not happen overnight. It will take time to firm up. If we all agree to discard our identity in favour of a Malaysian identity, it may take up to 20 - 30 years to see the effect...

BTW, I was graduated from MMU too. I'm grateful to be a graduate there, as comparatively, it is the only local university (during my time) to practise the least discrimination policy (after talking to my friends from local uni)

For example, a local uni located in the north, forces all its undergraduate to wear long sleeves to the class. There are many more examples... but I think it is off topic to continue.

Bravo rmo, Bravo Jeff.

Samarium, again, you came too quick to the conclusion. I guess it's better to wait for updates rather than pointing your rifle to motorola...

Anyway, nice cyber pat you have there...

Steve has a point. MMU is a private university set up and paid for by TM, a privatised MalaySIAN entity. TM, of course, is now owned by its shareholders, Singapore being one of the bigger ones. Ergo, TM is no longer a Malaysian company. So why does it still insist on racist practises?

i dont think there is anything wrong to build a compant with good racial composition! Since someone highlighted Motorola as an example, i will fill in some news regarding to them.

As a company, Motorola does not care abotu race & religion when hiring, though like in any company, personal preference sometimes superceeds reality. Some years back, the management decided that they must find a way to balance the racial composition, not for political reason, but to make sure no one is left out because of racial preference of the hirer! The Sr. mgmt. often does not get to vet the resume's, nor is HR in a position to decide, so it's solely left to the hiring manager, which is where race based preference comes from!

Motorola & other companies that preech balanced workforce does NOT loose out on talent at all, they fact is u have very capable malays, indians & chinese but not everyone is lucky!

You can still hire & have a racially balanced workforce without sacrificing quality. You just need to look carefully, and have more qualified hirer's to make sure u get a good team. in 2002, there was a need to hire a complete group to form a project startup ..approx 1600 CV's received, 70 shortlisted purely by qualification ..and 12 hired! The 12 were from a balanced racial & gender composition (which we made sure was a requirement) and till i left the company, i've never worked with such a competent group of ppl!

I dont think this was racial biasness, since everyone has the qualification & met the qality of hiring! I rather work in company that has a balance racial composition then a company like Altera (no offence intended)

I am glad that our kids are brought up in NZ where for education and scholarship you do not require "kulitfication"! Every year you can read about the TOP STUDENTS consists of different race... guess what, majority are ASIANS! Call yourself "multi cultural, multi racial"? Think again....

pro_moorthy, I guess we all can't stop the RM150 ad on our dailies newspaper and of course we hope and strive for all the segregation to end.

When ad looks for specialize skills such as language skill, it's different as they are looking for suitable people to the role. But this is university, they looking for suitable race too?

We really have big problem here. So we need ppl like rmo to stand up, speak up.

Don't just speak, as speak is cheap here.

(I'm calling my 'over-looked' vendor now and seek for explanation... brb)

goks,

Altera is practising merit. There don't hire people base on race, but on their ability. This can judge on the compensation and benefit they offer (almost 40% more than other MNCs in Penang, for fresh graduate). And also their turnover is relatively low in the industry. Please think again, why would they offer such a high R&B package? FYI, I'm never work for Altera before.

We should respect this type of management which put investor $$$ into right pot for greater return.

jeffdaman, I don't know who is quick to jump to conclusions. I'm not imposing my views on anyone nor do I expect anyone to accept them. The opinions which I espouse are personal and what I perceive the situation to be.I could be dead wrong or I could be right. It doesn't matter. So I suggest that you get off that high horse and stop singling me out. Stop being so immature and infantile.

remember,this scholarship offered by motorola not mmu

yxgs,

Just to share with you what i have seen before. In 2001, an MMu Eng. best student graduate, gold medalist with over 3.9CGPA, highly rated student, who was grabbed by Motorola ... went for the Altera Interview. He found the entrace exam quiet easy, a breeze, compared to his friend who went for the same interview. He was never offered a job, and all from that batch came froma single race! Ofcourse, this is debateable!

This guy was brilliant in chip design, and didnt last more then 2 months in Motorola. Intel pinched him and offered him such a package, no one could resist! It's sad he wasnt brilliant enough for Altera!

I have a firend from my Uni who works for Altera, who is their in house Perl expert. He personally agrees that "at times" there are preference ..and he told me...even if you get in..u'll never work comfortably in that environment!

All these are debatable since nothing is open ....Altera is a respectable company worlwide ...but the penang operations is left allot to be desired for! The fact is, Yes they hire the best and the best comes from all colours of life, unfortunately not all colours of life are given equal opportunity to be hired there!!!! This is a well known fact!!

Quote by yxgs "BTW, I was graduated from MMU too. I'm grateful to be a graduate there, as comparatively, it is the only local university (during my time) to practise the least discrimination policy (after talking to my friends from local uni)"

If that's the standard of english from MMU i think MMU has done a really bad job don't u think?

aiya seeker, typo lah ...many ppl type fast ..and dont bother checking their grammer ...so dontlah judge him by the grammer :) i'm guilty of many such mistakes!

pro_moorthy

You are absolutely right. Your statement is totally irrelevant with the issue that Jeff brought up. See the point?

Quote seeker :

"If that's the standard of english from MMU i think MMU has done a really bad job don't u think?"

God! You should see them during the presentations! You can laugh till your stomach and all its content pops out no thanks to their broken English! Though, I swear to god, they take no initiative to improve on it even though they are in the final year. Btw, I'm in final year!

Not only that, we even have some "Ah Bengs" and "Ah Lians" in our uni.. Gold colored hair, some even red/pink/blue and even gays (not sure about lesbians.. they all look alike)! *hahahahahahahahha*

seeker,

I'm not sure of your intention, but the standard of my English have got nothing to do with MMU.

I was there to study field of my interest with one additional subject - Communication English. The aim is to have us ready to communicate in a level where most people understand us. I'm not writing an essay to be submited to English teacher!

MMU is at least one step ahead by implementing English as the sole teaching medium. It is during that time I manage to gain some improvement.

Let's don't deviate from the topic by picking on my grammer.

Silly ppl. MMU is just helping Motorola to post the announcement, blame it on Motorola and stop criticizing our lovely university. Since u have so many things to complaint about our university, why dont u go somewhere tat suits u?

Lorrr, what's the big issue here? It could prob be some unintentional mistake or miscommunication somewhere in there. All of you are very eager to shoot at both parties before seeking clarification. Let's not be emotional and just wait for their explanation. Plus... you wanna have Bangsa Malaysia? Sure, why not we give everyone a Malaysian name, no race based school, have one common language only, etc.

Just my opinion. :P

goks,

Yeah, it seems that the criteria of hiring or scholarship awarding is subject to personal preference, and this is open to discrimination! This can happen on any company.

I just hope that at least a company, as a whole, can have similiar practice as Altera. This will make sure the bounty reward goes to the right person who rightfully deserve it!

Motorola is a great company as I've worked in the company before. Discrimation if there's any will make almost all the local companies here practise apartheid.

The advertisement can be an overzealous person trying to make as fair distribution as he can think of but he should know there're many lain-lain types. Maybe 'all races besides Chinese' will simplify his aim.

There will never be a pure bangsa Malaysia as Malays want their Nusantara, Chinese celebrates when taikonaut came back and Indians identify with their growing economic power of their motherland.

At best is we let each draw strength from their own culture (imagine all these cultures span thousand of years) and no policy will able to 'blend' them successfully.

The advertisement should be recalled and if MMU wants to help certain races, then do it tactfully and with much discretion. This is the practise in all the companies I've worked in before and currently EXCEPT .... Motorola

Yeah, I agree with malcontent. It's not a big issue, if we truly want to be "Bangsa Malaysia," we first need to change all the basic things, i.e. names, schools, etc. We can't have a guy with a Malay name, the other with Indian name and another with Chinese name can we? (Remember our school textbooks? Ahmad, Muthu & Chong).

We can't have so many languages either!! It's just sooo not "Bangsa Malaysia." If we like to have so many languages, it should only be a personal preference. All the signboards, billboards and everything else should be set to a single language only.

Then, there should also be no schools that has the (J) sign there. Everyone must only learn a single language in school! (English! Hands up if you support!)

If you need to learn Malay, Mandarin, Tamil or any other language, do it at your own personal time.

How's that for a start? Other than that, leave my university from anymore racial issues. We already have enough. :)

yxgs,

R u kidding me? Did you read my second post? I dont share nor like Altera practise! I beleive, when you have a situation where u have 2 smart candidates, both deserving the job, there is nothing wrong in choosing to have racial balance! This is not the practise in Altera, where at times u r caught in meetings being run in a language u dont understand!

y everyone seems to be so eager to blame vernacular schools as a culprit of national "DISUNITY"?

isn't the government policies implemented since independence suppose to held resposible?

o i get it, those who are pointing fingers are UMNO members!

because it's too easy for chinese to get 3.0, motorola cannot get enough money to support bundle of chinese professional.

I wonder, what is the racial composition in MMU?

I wonder, what is the racial composition at MMU?

just to make correction, it's easier for chinese to get over 3.0

anyone who studies the bear minimum can and should get over 3.0 ...if you cant get a minimum 3.0, i think u're either fooling around or damn lazy and need 2 kicks to buck up! Nothing to do with race :D hehe

Hmmm... obviously a hot topic.

I think many are missing the woods for the trees.

The issue here is not about the defacto, or how everybody is a racist and discriminates. It is about whether on principle, discrimination should be allowed.

First of all, discrimination based on gender, race, creed, etc is WRONG. Anyone disagree with that? No? Good, we can move on.

In that case, a nation, especially where there are many ethnicity like Malaysia need to enact laws to PROTECT its people from discrimination of any kind. Many countries have such law. I believe there is something like that in the Malaysian Constitution, but never enforced.

Along the way, affirmative action got in the way. Affirmative action is defined as special considerations accorded to disadvantaged MINORITIES, by the MAJORITY. Malaysia is the ONLY country in the world where "affirmative action Malaysia style" is accorded by the MAJORITY to themselves!!!!

Discrimination is WRONG. Just because someone else practise discrimination does not give you the moral right to do the same.

Hence arguements like, "what's the big deal, Chinaman companies will only employ Chinese, so there" is flawed. The state and the law should make sure that do not happen. Two wrongs do not make a right.

Finally, language skills requirements, like Mandarin skills, like ANY other skills, is a SKILL, and NOT discrimination. Does that mean a MNC requiring a good command of English, is a racist employers, only looking for Englishman????

People must move away from thinking in myopic scope, where languages are concerned in the globalised world. The more languages you know, the better off you are. Wanna get a job in a Chinaman company dealiing with China? Learn Mandarin. You don't have to be Chinese, you will be surprised how many non-ethnic Chinese can communicate in Mandarin worldwide.

Foolish is one who refused to learn language skills, and then cry they cannot find jobs.

Could agree more with you limeuu..

Don't you guys know that there are alot of Chinese that do not know how to write and read Mandirin.

So you would expect me to believe that if an advert says "preferably those who can speak Mandarin", they would equally consider other races besides Malaysian-Chinese? Can anyone confirm if there has been cases like this? I just wish it would be true...

Yes, I can testify there are non-Chinese who are conversant in Mandarin, and working in Chinese companies. Interestingly, often in Sarawak, where there is a sizeable non-Chinese population who went to Chinese Schools.

Think about it, are there not many non-English people who are conversant in English working in English/American companies all over the world?

Why can't it work for Mandarin too?

Just as you are handicapped if you do not have English language skills now (we are all aware of a sizable portion of Malaysia's population in this pedicament), it is possible in the next 50 years, the same handicap will apply you if you do not have Mandarin skills.

The choice is yours. Just as the choice of learning English now is yours.

Luckily they have already mentioned it publicly - that they're such racists. I wouldn't want to end up working in a place where your colleagues can't accept you because you're a Chinese.

"Bangsa Malaysia" will never realize. Total BS.

Hi everyone,

MMU is currently in the 3rd semester of the academic year. Not the 1st or 2nd semester. So this means ... :P no one can apply.

Hahahaha.

:)

I wonder what was going through the heads of those Motorola execs when they implemented this. What were they possibly high on? Beats me. But I do know I won't want to use their products, or even work for them. What a disastrous work culture! So much for their public relations - going down the drain!

Well viking, no thanks to religious zealots and fanatic bigots running national schools, the number of Chinese not reading nor writing mandarin have dramatically reduced over the past 35 years.

pro_moorthy,
Asking the chinese schools to give up their existence? It will probably never happen. The people running those schools mistrust the govt so much that they won't ever do that. Would you let someone you view as incompetent try to have total control of what your children learn? Besides, in some towns, these schools are probably the only place to get quality education. Just my opinion. I went to a Malay school but will most likely send my kids to a Chinese medium school. In this globalised world, you do not want to be linguistically handicapped.

OK, back to the topic at hand. I don't believe Motorola intended that ad to be so blatantly racist. Probably some lower level moron trying to be smart. This is the first time too that I am hearing that Altera is racist. However, don't just accuse-lah goks. Show some proof ... like the MMU-Motorola ad. As for the many ads in the Star stating Chinese only or xxx preferred, does it really matter? I know I don't qualify for those jobs even though I am Chinese because those statements usually mean that I need to be proficient in Chinese. It is just a matter of wording. These Chinaman don't mince their words. Straight to the point. Can't blame them. At least they are not hypocrites and not wasting applicants time. Want to phone up or mail resume also cost time and money. Better to know up front, eh?

And now that I've looked at the non-existent announcement a 2nd time, it is a horrible announcement with lots of grammatical errors and no additional info for those who are interested.

Being an MMU student, all I can say is ... at least MMU made it to Jeffooi.com again! W00T! More publicity for us!

While we're at this, you guys should also know that MMU prohibits the registration of Christian clubs ie :
`Christian Fellowship clubs` that you will normally see in other private colleges.

Cheers people!

What the HELL? Why Malay and Indian student only?

hmm.... dont want to sound like a racist here but what the hell, can a malay even get a 3.0 cgpa?? hahaha. Anyway no use squabbling over this matter over the forum and internet. Things are gonna be like this as long as "bumi's " run the "cunt"ry...

*shrugs* Motorola is American, so? Affirmative action to the majority is a well patented Malaysian invention, and "When in Rome, do as the Romans do" especially since it probably means that you will be detained under the ISA for not helping bumiputra's.

The second advertisment is more deserving, since it is an unadmitted truth (these are the strongest truths) that there are Indians who are very poor but don't qualify for aid due to RACIAL BIAS.

Next up is the claim that "ability to converse in Chinese" is a hidden racial bias. Well, my Muslim (semi-Malay) friend landed a part-time job working for a company that put up such an advertisment. And she speaks Chinese, yes.

Pro_moorthy, the government, well, they are throwing up a yellow smokescreen to hide the brown wall.

Jeff; Poor you. I am sure you must be flabbergasted reading this piece of information? Oh my god, how on earth can we ever provide scholarships to Indians? I mean, in every 2nd Job ad, which says "Chinese Speaking", in every Private Firm which are mostly run by the chinese, and 70% of Government Jobs for the Malays, it truly must be out of this world to provide financial assitance to Indian Students. Shocking. Please la Jeff. For a community which has been at the short end of the stick for every god damn socio-economic sector in this country, dont even attempt to go there. I am sure if there was no indian written there , there would not have been any noise. Id like you to reply Jeff, if possible

When chinese politician cross the "race" line to help the people, you have UMNO youth marching all the to your office to make a "complaint" (Don't it just sound like gangster, yet the police keep quiet too?).

When the real racist like this happen, the whole UMNO just keep quiet.

That remind me why after so many years and the chinese teacher shortage still remain. Why year after year we have chinese/India 6A+ student who can not get into local Uni.

govt should pass a law that put people in jail for discriminating at employment or ads

fabian, that would put the entire bolehland government in jail. Not going to happen.

fabian

They can't, otherwise they'd be breaking the law themselves.

Kinda ironic huh?

Such anti-discrimination laws are, however, practised in the US, Australia and the UK.

I find this ad disturbing but whats even more disturbing are those who criticize this advert because of discrimination but at the same time defend the "those who can speak Mandarin only" adverts.

The latter is disguised discrimination which is even more dangerous as they have a 'defence' in case there is an outcry. Sure there are other races who can speak Mandarin but that is an exception to the rule and in all probability it will be a Chinese who is most fluent in Mandarin having used the language in conversations with friends as opposed to the other races who might only learn it in class.

If your argument is that the job might require the 'skill' of speaking Mandarin, then Motorola can also argue that this engineer that they need will be sent to work in kampung projects where the majority population are Malays or housing areas where majority are Indians and the folks there are more comfortable dealing with people of their own race.

If you want to cry against discrimination, then oppose all forms of discrimination and not only those that hurt your race but endorse those that predominantly benefit your race as...."oh its a skill you know". Hypocrisy at its worst

jlchannel wrote:
"hmm.... dont want to sound like a racist here but what the hell, can a malay even get a 3.0 cgpa?? hahaha. Anyway no use squabbling over this matter over the forum and internet. Things are gonna be like this as long as "bumi's " run the "cunt"ry..."

i am very disappointed with racist people like jlchannel. i just think that getting good grades and all depends on individuals, not race.

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Folks: Don't just complain and whinge about it on this blog. DO something about MOTOROLA'S RACIST'S TENDENCIES IN OFFERING SCHOLARSHIPS

Like Nike said: JUST DO IT !

"hmm.... dont want to sound like a racist here but what the hell, can a malay even get a 3.0 cgpa?? hahaha. Anyway no use squabbling over this matter over the forum and internet. Things are gonna be like this as long as "bumi's " run the "cunt"ry..."

Silap la, it's desmoso. Sorry jlchannel! :P

frank&honest,no wonder other races still being racist,u also racist, the way u said is too much already..dammit

Sunny, you are presumably NOT English or American, so you should stop learning English, and get off this English forum. This is a disguised forum of racist English surpremist.

By the way, Motorola is NOT employing, they are giving scholarships.

And Sunny, you are right. If I run a company selling things to the estates, I will certainly require my salestaff to speak Tamil. Stupid to send a Cantonese only Ah Beng.

Tamil is a skill. If a Malay can speak fluent Tamil, and sell my products, why not?? He can also sell to the kampungs, double bonus.

No hypocrisy. Just common sense.

"Sunny, you are presumably NOT English or American, so you should stop learning English, and get off this English forum. This is a disguised forum of racist English surpremist.

By the way, Motorola is NOT employing, they are giving scholarships"

The true sign of an emotional response when they attack you personally for having a different opinion.

First of all I'm not sure how the whole English on this blog is disguised racism coz I can write in whatever language I want to. 2nd given that English is a compulsory subject in primary and secondary schools in Malaysia, its not disguised racism as all races have adequate access to it.

The whole point bout employment is that I'm giving you an analogy of racism that you seem to condone and in any case surprise surprise scholarship by an MNC usually leads to employement.

The whole point of a Malay/Chinese speaking fluent Tamil is again in the very minority and hence a disguised racism and unacceptable unles proven that an employee who cant speak the language would not be able to do his/her job without it.

You dont need to speak Mandarin to sell shoes in a shoe store in Sungai Wang/One Utama.

You don't need to speak to Mandarin to sell a shoe in One Utama. You probably don't need to speak Mandarin too, in Sungai Wang considering that's the place for so many Chinese BengaBoys and AhLian Nation. But you must know what the your Mandarin/Cantonese speaking boss tell you to do...

Oh btw, minority here, got five friends; 1 tamil speaking n hearing Chinese, 3 mandarin/cantonese speaking n hearing indians and one cantonese speaking malay. Their bosses love them because they know what their boss want.

I am a Chinese and I cannot speak Mandarin. If non-Chinese apply for the jobs that required Mandarin speaking, I lose out to them also. I suppose other races will have to pick up Mandarin, just like the Chinese who have picked Malay language. And yet Chinese find it hard to get promoted in the public sector. That is discrimination.

To everyone on here, not trying to start anything, but apperntly some people who have wrote on here did not read all the messages on here, please go back to the top and see what had happaned.

IT was not Motorola who posted the offer, it was a Motorola scholarship, however it was the Univeristy itself that posted the information and it was the universities own website. Motorola was contacted by my company as well as other and within 30 minutes of us making a formal complaint to the VP of Motorola the VP department had contacted the univeristy and they had them change the information and stated that they had not known what was posted at first and that it is against their policy to discriminate. The univeristy had changed the posting then and said that Bumi's where encouraged to apply.

Thus the above incident was caused by the university not Motorola and that it is a Motorola scholarship being offered but the university itself had changed the wording.

Please read above and please check out the website once again.

I agree, any form of discrimination is wrong. By the way our company has put out employment adds for people speaking Manderine, Cantonese and also Tamil and Malay, as well as people speaking Russian and German. We have never looked at a person's ethnic makeup, nor their religion. In fact on our applications there is not one question asking about religion, ethnicity, if they are married or not, etc. We practice open employment period. However there are certain positions that require people to speak certain languages, I do not care if it is a Malay that speaks Chinese, or an Indian that speaks Malay or a Chinese that speaks Tmail. IF you are able to speak those languages and you are applying for a job that requires that language skill then you are seriously considered for the job. And no just becuase you may be dealing with clients from China, we do not prefer the Chinese speaking employee to be a Chinese person. However ther are infact companies in Malaysia that do hire only certain ethnic groups and get away with it by saying they need to speak a certain langauge and that is wrong.

Sunny, you maybe right for certain situations but please note that this is motorola we're talking about.

I'm not aware motorola sent their software engineers out to the kampong to do their work? as far as i know the software engineers stay in-house, probably liase with vendors or other companies world wide. I'm also not aware motorola only deal with a company that only converse in malay or indian or chinese?

"The whole point of a Malay/Chinese speaking fluent Tamil is again in the very minority and hence a disguised racism and unacceptable unles proven that an employee who cant speak the language would not be able to do his/her job without it."

Again, in certain situation, there is a need for the language skill. For example, "mandarin teacher" "tamil teacher" "translator" "a field personnel that deals with china / india"

Yes, you maybe right about the shoe thing in One Utama again in certain situation, but what if the person they want to employ needs deal with a chinaman / india company in china and the contact person there only speaks mandarin / tamil, they import the shoes from china / india. So you cannot label them racist unless the ads say indian / chinese / malay only.

Come on people. LANGUAGE requirements is NOT discrimination. You can learn new languages if you want to. Don't like that advert that says you need to speak certain language? GO LEARN THAT LANGUAGE!

Race requirements IS discrimination. You CANNOT change your race.

Bangsa Malaysia can only exist if none of our political party is race based

Sunny, you don't recognise sarcasm if it jumps up and bites you.

And you failed to recognised that like learning English, which is not you mother tongue, learning Mandarin is also a very useful skill in this world.

Mandarin is just another language, the knowlewdge of which is a useful language skill. However in bolehland, its association with a section of society, coupled with a phobic adversion and fear of everything associated with this group, has made it a taboo language, to be viewed with suspicion. And the mere requirement of thought as Chinese racism.

Ironically, many Chinese in bolehland actually are illiterate in Mandarin, and I confess to being one. So Sunny, I wouldn't get the job either. Discrimination by the Chinese against me, another Chinese???

There is aother great irony here. We, of the SEA countries, have had a head start, with already a well established education system in English 40 odd years ago.

However, in a frenzy of "nationalist" pride, we destroyed that, and only recently realised the folly what we did, and now attempted to reverse course, to start from the beginning again. In the meantime, the "experiment" costed us a lost generation of monolinguists.

Similarly, we also have Mandarin well established. If we do not seize the opportunity now, we will again have to play catch me again.

As I said, the opportunities are there, the choice is yours. For me, Mandarin and China is as foreign as Brazil and Portugese. But I recognise the changing global scenerio, and have made sure my children are at least trilingual. A couple are interested in Japanese, no doubt influenced by anime and Mangas, and I also encouraged that.

hazremi

If Motorola or Nokia or ANY Company , by association with MMU, MU,. UKM or TAR or UNITAR or any university , encourages scholarships given to only Chinese or Indian or what have you, I will still say the SAME thing... BOYCOTT the company's product.

Now, I agree with most readers, that there is a distinction between race and skill. Puttting out qualifications that call for someone skilled in Mandarin or Tamil, does not necessarily mean you want Chinese or Indian candidates. Only silly people with a racist parochial mind would think otherwise.

I have NO problem if the advert says, Bumiputras encouraged to apply.

Do I work for Nokia... Try asking Nokia to allow MMU to advertise scholarships like Motorola.

Now, someone said that it is MMU's fault and Motorola says their company is not aware MMU put up that kind of advert.

That is utter rubbish. IGNORANCE IS NO EXCUSE for a major multinational company involved in sensitive issue like race-discrimination. Try that in the court of law.

The only way Motorola redeem its reputation are the following:

a) SACK the HRD Manager in Motorola for this bungling and mad it known to the media

b) Enforce a public apology from the MMU authorities for triggering the sensitivity on racial harmony by association with Motorola's scholarship

c) Suspend all support to MMU for 5 years. Give the scholarship sponsorship to OTHER universities, and pray they don't damage Motorola's reputation.

DO THE ABOVE, AND I WILL WITHDRAW MY CALL FOR BOYCOTT OF MOTOROLA'S PRODUCT.

I WILL EVEN STUFF OUT MY OWN MONEY TO PRINT AND DISTRIBUTE LEAFLETS ALL THE MALLS IN KL AND PENANG TO MAKE IT PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE OF MOTOROLA'S ASSOCIATION WITH MMU ON THIS RACE-BASED SCHOLARSHIP FIASCO.

The country CANNOT afford this kind of PLEADING OF IGNORANCE AFTER A FACT, especially when Govt Scholarships, funded by taxpayers, are already tainted with racial prejudice.

Am I a racist? No, a very fair and a patriot.

Human rights abuse: 3 comments.
Earthquake predictions: 0 comments.
Bank securities: 0 comments.
Racialism/Scholarship: 115 comments.
That explains a lot where's the hotspot in here. I look forward (still optimistically) to the day when this cools down. I may not live that long, but I hope...

someone up there commented that this is not a business, therefore racial profiling should not exist...I would suggest that honorable someone to look at public universities in Malaysia and rethink his answer..

according to this honorable person, universities should not be racist..

well, they are. public universities are racist. so is the matriculation programme. all of them are considered racist.

why? simple. qoutas. having quotas set for each race is what I would consider racist. yes? no?

and please, don't let me even get started on UiTM...

my point is this, if Jeff here is trying to point out that Malaysia based corporations are giving out scholarships based on racism, I would suggest he look into JPA first, because the government is still considered a corporation, and this one is separated by departments, and each department is somehow divided according to race.

If, Jeff is trying to point out that universities in Malaysia are racist, well, why point it out now..? Why not point it out when UiTM became an all-Malay university, or UTAR..

also, now that they have changed the requirements to "Bumiputera's encouraged to apply", do you actually think this will make a difference? how naive are you?

and finally, in response to someone scoffing at the idea of Malays getting a 3.0 CGPA, got news for you, 20% of UiTM (total is 45,000) graduated with a 3.0 and above last September. My name is among them, and I really resent the fact that you actually think Malays can't achieve what the Chinese have...besides, we don't have 5000 years of civilization evolution, y'know?

The fact that, as you pointedly pointed out, the entire "national" education system runs on racial considerations, does not mean everybody have to.

Particularly MNC with a non-discriminatory policy.

And correction, there is no more quotas now for public University entrance? Or at least that is the official line.

MMU = Malay + Indian racists
jeffooi.com = Chinese racists?

aput83

I agree with you somewhat that this topic on Jeff's Blog on Motorola's fiasco and pleading ignorance after the fact has been hijacked into discrimination of Malay vs Chinese students and which race is smarter or less.

Silly of some of the readers here, spilling out their guts on the wrong topic.

This issue is about CORPORATE respoonsibility and about MOTOROLA making profits from Malaysians, irrrespective of race.

Although MMU is the culprit, but MMU has been known to be incompetent or deliberately encouraging BLATANT racial discrimination, we as consumers hold MOTOROLA responsible for the fiasco. They must redeem their reputation.

As for MMU, they are like JPA, run by parochial bureaucrats, most likely these decision makers in MMU are UMNO Youth or UMNO members or sympathisers to the racially-biased politics of UMNO Youth and UMNO. It takes TWO GENERATIONS to change their mindset. If you are a parent, SIMPLY DON'T SEND YOUR KIDS TO MMU to study. What the hell!! MMU is not Harvard or Cambridge, and they don't even have the reputation of the University of Malaya for that matter. Your kids won't become Einstein or be as smart as our late Nordin Sopiee if they graduated from MMU. I am not asking parents to boycott MMU, because of their kids education.

As for MOTOROLA, you as consumer has a choice if MOTOROLA does not come out in public to redeem their reputation as a non-race based corporation in Malaysia.

I have already gave MOTOROLA some ideas how they can redeem their reputation. First and foremost, SACK the HRD Manager. He or she has to take the fall for this fiasco.

yxgs and 3rd Generation

Oone of you said Motorola is a great company as I've worked in the company before etc etc

If that is the case, this is the best opportunity for MOTOROLA to PROVE it is a great company. Yes they make good product. But are they REALLY good at CORPORATE RESPONSIBILITY and address this fiasco in an open manner.

I don't buy one bit that someone in Motorola coming out and say, they think it is wrong after the damage had been done. That someone in MOTOROLA responsible for giving out scholarship is SLEEPING ON THE JOB.

A GREAT company will do two things: Penalise itself or penalise MMU. Because this is a VERY SENSITIVE ISSUE in Malaysia.

MOTOROLA has now to prove it IS a great company.

Let's hear what they say in PUBLIC . I am all ears.

Progressive
You said....I spent about 11 years overseas and only had one experiene of being discriminated. I complained to the manager of the restaurant and he got the waiter to apologise, to my face. Now I'm back in the country of my birth and this!!

WELCOME HOME!
You have learnt something at least on first hand on coming home, if that trip home had cost you some pocket money.

That is: the full meaning of INSTITUTIONALISED DISCRIMINATION BY RACE... perfected by UMNO and UMNO Youth who are the powers that be in Government. And you have no recourse for compensation or appeal against it. In fact you might be thrown into Kamunting Guesthouse under the ISA for even talking about it in public.

You should also encourage your friends to come home and learn the realities your fellow Malaysians back home are facing everyday, in their schooling and in their jobs.

Be sad but don't be surprised unless you came home to live in a cave.

Previously under "'First World' Mentality series ( 8 )... MMU" topic some one wrote:

"(and before you ask me - no, that person in charge is not malay... mmu is one of the only gov-linked entities that seem to be controlled by non-malays.)"

So to give scholarship to Malay okay what. It just show that Non-Malay can be very reasonable, willing to share with Malay. Non-Malay control MMU but still willing to reserve scholarship to Malay. Semua OK what. ;)

ks

You said....Motorola has been unfairly cast in a negative light because of this incident.

Well, MOTOROLA should know what to do to redeem its damaged reputation. MOTOROLA is affected by association and it must dissociate itself in public to remove the taint of being a racist corporation.

Quietly asking MMU to pull off the page from its bulletin board is NOT ENOUGH.

The PUBLIC perception of MOTOROLA as a racist-corporation still remains.

I have offered some suggestions so that MOTOROLA can be seen and appear to be a GOOOD and RESPONSIBLE company operating in MALAYSIA.

MOTOROLA has a choice: It can penalise itself or penalise MMU.

It cannot simply expect this issue to be swept under the carpet or expect it to go away quietly. I won't and I hope all of you don't too.It is too serious and too sensitive.

MMU did the same thing to BOSCH last year on the same issue about scholarships. And MOTOROLA should have learnt the lesson from MMU's bungling with BOSCH'S scholarship.

The ball is still in MOTOROLA's court to redeem itself. I am doing MOTOROLA a public relations favour so it can redeem its reputation in the eyes of the Malaysian consumers.

"Discrimination in any form is bad, and should not be tolerated. I'm quite surprised that a company like Motorola would do such a thing. That said, we Malaysians are not unused to this are we? I mean, apart from the gazillion bumiputera sahaja requirements in this country, all one needs to do is open the classified section of a newspaper to see many jobs advertised as Chinese preferred. Some choose to hide behind a rather safe requirement of 'must be able to speak Chinese'. So, really, why the hoo hah?"

I agree..that tell U THE SMELL OF HYPOCRICIES within this forum...

you are keep bashing other ppl or races\communities OR Malaysian. and try to teach other ppl no to discriminate others..and its happen with your own race...

go to classified and and at the end of the job advertisement saying
"mandarin speaking advantagues" or
"chinese only"

hah..what the hell is that??...

and you try to teach MOTOROLA or PSD or wutsoever org. about discrimination against Malaysian...

again this Forum stinks with Hyporicies

"So, Jeff?
What's the problem here? I can pick out at least 10 ads in the Star every day that points out they want someone who can write and converse in chinese... discrimination? Forget about bangsa Malaysia if we the rakyat still wants to be known as melayu, cina, india or lain-lain. Worse, when we feel envious our "brethren" of other races get better priveleges... Forget it as long as we still bring up issues like this."

I AM TOTALLY AGREE..

supadepo

Glad to know that since you are part of this forum, you are also a hypocrite. We all are.

After all, this business of institutionalised discrimination by race is inspired and nurtured by UMNO and UMNO Youth and enforced by their powers in Government.

Take a look at the big picture, supadepo , unless you have a small mind in an issue like this.

supadepo,

I don't often follow job ad, but as far as I can recall I never see the word "Chinese only". Can you pointer out the ad for me pls?

BTW, "Mandarin speaking" requirement, I would say yes, as most manufacturing operation of local companies have moved to China. One would need Mandarin to give out instruction to the blue colar workers there.

Seems Motorola didn't do their homeworks on checking what is the REAL minority is.

Do you know how many ethnics in Malaysia? Don't let local geography text book fools you. Read here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Malaysia

JEFF OOI says: It's over 100 commentaries now. Nobody spoke for my Iban/Dayak and Kadazandusun bbrethren thus far. Don't switch on Tom Cruise's 'Minority Report' please.

The advertisment was poorly written with errors:

"Must Above than 3.0"

Must have been written by a MMU grad who got a CGPA of 2.9 :) (just a joke)

Anyway, I have personally seen many many advertisments that specify race...and not just language....I see many people here who supposedly say this is discrimination but yet defend the "Prefer Chinese salesperson etc" advertisments that we see pasted on the walls of many outlets in shopping malls!!

BS! Jeff was trying to point out why the mention of Malays and not bumi instead....but why point this issue out Jeff?

Correct me if I am wrong but you (Jeff) belong to some Chinese Photographic Association....is this necessary to be race based as well? How to achieve Bangsa Malaysia?? When even something like this is race based?

JEFF OOI says: You just landed a boot in your mouth. I am NOT a member of 'some Chinese Photographic Association' anywhere. But your wild accusations speak volume for your kind. No tears for that. But I know you are trying to hijack my blog topic. Too familiar, ain't it, you ugly Malaysian?

Do we walk the talk?

Quote Frank&Honest ():">http://www.jeffooi.com/mt32/mt-comments.cgi#comment-4702):

"As for MMU, they are like JPA, run by parochial bureaucrats, most likely these decision makers in MMU are UMNO Youth or UMNO members or sympathisers to the racially-biased politics of UMNO Youth and UMNO. It takes TWO GENERATIONS to change their mindset. If you are a parent, SIMPLY DON'T SEND YOUR KIDS TO MMU to study. What the hell!! MMU is not Harvard or Cambridge, and they don't even have the reputation of the University of Malaya for that matter. Your kids won't become Einstein or be as smart as our late Nordin Sopiee if they graduated from MMU. I am not asking parents to boycott MMU, because of their kids education."

Intelligence is mostly inborn. There is little you can do to alter your intellectual birthright even though you made it to the best school in the world. It is evident from the slanderous and bigoted remarks you made against MMU, that you’re lacking the cognitive abilities to make good reasoning and sound judgment. Please go back and improve your reasoning and writing skills before you continue to post in this blog.

As an MMU graduate myself, I believe the intention of this scholarship ad was to encourage ‘corporate diversity’, a common practice among U.S. corporations including the company I work for. Unfortunately, the ad was penned by the wrong person (who can’t even write proper English). MMU has retracted the ad and I hope they will be more tactful when publishing such ads in future.

Jeff,

I am not trying to hijack your blog. Infact I have supported your views for the many years you have been in existence. I have even made donations to support your blog, which I feel all of us should do to keep this alive because it is the greatest thing since slice bread.

JEFF OOI says: Thanks for clarification. Don't just stand for me the person. But do stand for what I do and allow the big picture to take centrestage. But you made a wild accusation against me as a member of "some Chinese Photography Association", of which I NEVER was. I didn't asked for your public apology but I am just exercising my right of reply.

But what is your true point in bringing up this issue? when there are many ugly issues in Malaysia along similar lines? Why attack only MMU? Why not attack advertisments in Star or NST?

JEFF OOI says: Let's tackle the root cause and employ some strategic and tactical moves. Why not somebody petition newspapers like The Star & The NST to REJECT such racially disriminatory recruitments for a start? Like WWF TV commercials say, "When the buying stops, so will the killing".

Sorry to say, I dont think it was fair in calling me an ugly Malaysian. I did state.."correct me if I am wrong"....

JEFF OOI says: You are what you write. Bear that in mind. This blog is a highly visible space.

Answer me on this...

JEFF OOI says: Hadn't I?

Is it necessary to have a photography association that is race based?

I would love to hear your views.

JEFF OOI says: It's the same context as asking "Is it necessary to have political party like Umno". Go ask the perpetrators directly. You are barking up the wrong tree, hopelessly.

Correction : The link to the above quote: http://www.jeffooi.com/2006/04/again_what_are_mmu_motorola_tr.php#comment-4702 .

dear sloth,

"MMU is not Harvard or Cambridge, and they don't even have the reputation of the University of Malaya for that matter"

What makes you think that UM doesnt face this kind of situation as well? As far as i know, they even have a darker side that is just unbeknown to the general public ragarding racial disc. and probably even a stronger infuence of the majority race when it comes to, i would dare say, nearly every aspect of the curricular and co-curricular activities held there

-a fellow MMU student voicing out-

Frank&Honest

Based on the assumption that it was MMU who had published the advertisement wrongly, and that Motorola's original intention was to open the scholarship to "all" Malaysians, yes I felt that Motorola had been unfairly cast in a negative light. Afterall, the Internet is so widely-accessible nowadays. Anyone could have simply logged on to a forum to post a similar advertisement (with Motorola's name in it), without Motorola's knowledge. That doesn't necessary make Motorola the true culprit.

In this case, because Motorola already knew that MMU was going to advertise the scholarship on behalf of them, they probably gave MMU the benefit of doubt to do it properly and thus didn't double-check the advertisement before it got published (even the Engrish in the advertisement was not picked up - "CGPA must above than"). Perhaps Motorola was negligent in this aspect, but then again, they probably thought that it was a simple task which they could entrust to MMU.

Probably it is too early at this time for Motorola to take action against MMU. Afterall, the advertisement was only published in the last 24 hours. They would want to investigate the matter first before pointing fingers and coming to any rash conclusions. It would also be unfair to withdraw the scholarship from MMU students just because someone in MMU's administration supposedly messed up.

However, I'm surprised myself that Motorola did not decide to put the scholarship advertisement temporarily on hold until the incident had been investigated.

Hey clark_kent, I was quoting 'Frank&Honest' and I think we're off-topic to dicussing about UM.

Hey clark_kent, I was quoting 'Frank&Honest' and I think we're off-topic to dicuss about UM.

Sloth

You said: As an MMU graduate myself, I believe the intention of this scholarship ad was to encourage ‘corporate diversity’, a common practice among U.S. corporations including the company I work for.

That's crap. Your logic of the intention of this advert to encourage "corporate diversity" shows the shallowness of your logical thinking and reasoning.

Firstly, my contention is with MOTOROLA. My remarks that MMU is incompetent is not slanderous or bigoted, because MMU is incompetent. They fumbled on the scholarship issue TWICE... once with Bosch and now with Motorola.

Given that you are a graduate from MMU, I would excuse your comments and your logical thinking process.

clark_kent

I am referring University of Malaya's reputation as an academic institution. Yes, they have a very dark side too, as some MU lecturers themselves have come out openly to condemn the stupid policies of MU.

But, still University of Malaya is still a premier University academically, relative to other lesser known universities in the country.

MMU ??? I wonder what criteria they are allowed to be called a University? Disgraceful when they cannot even handle properly a racially sensitive issue in public.

Some of you may say, that don't blame the institution, but blame some idiots running MMU. Sadly, the idiots represent MMU. And I am not saying anything about the graduates of MMU.

frank&honest,looks like u want to boycott motorola.go ahead, i dun care,it's only u after all who has very low reasoning skills to boycott motorla and mmu(perhaps u are from um).And please dont say any people as dumb as you like, u dont even know the real situation.perhaps if i call ur family dumb u like it or not?sorry anyway. i hope u can click this link to see where ur UM stands
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b66/ibanezcruztama/graduan.jpg

Being a Motorola Scholarship student I feel I must voice out my opinion. I got my scholarship roughly 4 years ago and it has since been transfered to Freescale semiconductor. During the interview for the scholarship which consisted of both group and individual interviews , there were chinese students there. I don't recall how many chinese students or what other races were there, but I can assure you that there were chinese students there. Therefore it is safe to say that Motorola does NOT discrimate againts chinese students. Also it's important to note that I am an Indian student from MMU . All scholarship application are sent directly to Motorola and NOT to MMU so MMU has no say in any matter. It is probably a VERY VERY grave error on the part of MMU for posting that announcement.

Frank&Honest,

I wonder why you're so eager to degrade MMU and glority UM with your immature and speculative comments. Please stop all these craps.

Companies that practice 'corporate diversity' are trying to recruit under-represented minorities in order to create a workforce with diverse ideas and talents. I believe that was Motorola's intention but unfortunately an inept clerk screwed it up.

JEFF OOI says: Go back to the original context of this blog topic. Spend time to write to MMU and Motorola to get official responses they owe us. NOT go OFF TOPIC and get my blog context hijacked. Last warning.

hazremi

You said...u dont even know the real situation.perhaps

Now, YOU tell me the REAL situation.

The advert speaks for itself and what Jeff had put up on this blog

And I am doing MOTOROLA a favor. It could be worse in another situation.

I have no emotional attachment to University of Malaya. It has more faults than success.

Its good you don't care if I boycott Motorola or ask others to do so. Because it makes no difference to me whether you care or not. But thanks for your opinion.

there was a comment by hazremi on the standings of university grads and their employment levels...

it would be suitable if this was not brought up, as it has no bearing whatsoever on the topic discussed..

it does not matter what university you are from once you graduate, because employers will tend to overlook it based on attitude and academic credibility...

also, honorable frank&honest, please refrain from overpromoting a university...

as for Jeff's questions on the Dayak and Kadazans, according to the Federal Constitution, they are considered as bumiputera's, therefore, legally, and if you actually believe the changed advert...it would be good for them to apply for it, yes?

but then, it seems the entire ad has vanished....

"Glad to know that since you are part of this forum, you are also a hypocrite. We all are."

frank&Honest

i am glad to hear that also that u ackknowledge it...that u are also hypocite... we all are...

so y bother...chinese oso same..malay oso same...indian not sure...

so plz. its seem that all only your race

so comments that you are the real champions and know everithing....same as your brotherlar DAP's lim kit siang

what a bigger picture...

everyone is wrong u r the only one.. rite

Do keep in mind that Motorola has already stated that it was a mistake on MMU's part not theirs. They stated that and then they had MMU change the advert. Again please read way above and not just the last few posts, for those who say it probably was MMU's fault, it was in fact their fault, the simple fact that Motorola was contacted about the problem, a complaint made against them and within 30 min the website had been changed and that part removed, thus meaning Motorola contacted MMU and had them change it.

JEFF OOI says: To set the record straight, I need an OFFICIAL clarification from Motorola that I can publish verbatim.

Folks

As Jeff commmented, MOTOROLA and MMU should come out and give their explanation to us. They owe that to the public.

Whispering via telephones and emails to private individuals on this forum is not the way a credible corporation like MOTOROLA or a Univerty should operate. It is just not on.

They should come out and make a public statement it was a mistake made by whoever it is and then apologise to the public.

Unless nobody wants to own the screw-up.

One other thing: I remember when MMU stuffed up the Bosch scholarship issue, there was a call on this blog to sack the chap in MMU who made that advert on the same bulletin board.

Evidently, the person was not sacked by MMU and therefore MMU still has the same problem now with Motorola as for Bosch last year.

That means, MMU, as an institution of higher learning, never learns from its mistake. That's bad when MMU is supposed to train graduates to take responsibility.

To make the complaints more efficient, I suggest wirte to :
ghauth@mmu.edu.my

Prof Ghauth Jasmon is the President of MMU.

Since the scholarships involve Engineering field, one can cc to the Head of Engineering, Prof Chuah Hean Teik, htchuah@mmu.edu.my.

Both are very nice and responsive.

"JEFF OOI says: It's over 100 commentaries now. Nobody spoke for my Iban/Dayak and Kadazandusun bbrethren thus far. Don't switch on Tom Cruise's 'Minority Report' please" - My question to Jeff is: If the second advert had stated "Bumiputra" (which would have included the Iban/Dayak, Kadazan and other Bumiputras) instead of "Malay", would you (Jeff) have raised this issue in the first place? I doubt it.

JEFF OOI says: So, you have this fetish for putting words in people's mouth, you presecutor, Judge & executioneer rolled in one? F this is not "biased thinking" on your part, what is?

I suspect that the inclusion of "Indians" along with "Malays" is the primary reason for raising the issue, and not because of your concerns about our brothrens from East Malaysia.

JEFF OOI says: Since when your "suspiscion" is to be taken as the gospel truth in our intellectual discusion of a serious topic?

Some of the responses in this blog certainly reflect this biased thinking amongst a number of bloggers.

JEFF OOI says: I have said one time too many, and I have to repeat to educate the ignaramus like uou. In this blog, there is only ONE blogger and that's me (Go google to find find out the definition of blog). The rest who leave their personal commentaries in my blog topics are "COMMENTERS".

Otherwise, Jeff and these bloggers would be very very very busy blogging about racist practices such as "15% discount for Bumiputras", "Untuk Bumiputra sahaja", etc., etc.

JEFF OOI says: The self-annointed prosecutor, judge and executioneer at work again. By mentioning all these, you mind is cluttered with subconscoious state of mind that's evidently governed by racialistic inclinations. You are what you said!

Folks

Here is one possible explanation why nobody wants to own up or apologise for the screw up. ( I may be wrong here,the possibility of happening is there)

a) Someone in HRD Dept of Motorola sends an email or a phone call to MMU to say that this particular scholarship is for Malays only.

b) Some idiot in MMU took this message on face value, and actually put those words " Malays only" on the advert.

c) Of course, MOTOROLA did NOT say that it should appear on the advert as such, and expecting MMU to do the politically correct thing like "Bumiputera is encouraged to apply". It is MOTOROLA'S hope that a qualified Malay graduate will come forth to apply instead of going to work for JPA or JKR or Nokia. That is, if there are equal ratings of Malay and non-Malay candidates at the interview, the Malay candidate is preferred. That is the prerogative of the interview process.

Given the screw-up everybody is now trying to cover their backs without blaming the other.

Isn't this probable scenario unless MOTOROLA comes out in public and deny totally of any wrong-doing in this screw-up?

That is why the onus is on MOTOROLA to correct the perception it got itself tainted by the bungling of MMU. Also MMU will not own up or sack the chap who fumbled the advert.

I am not speaking for Malaysia now, but in the states when companies would like to have more of a mix they will usually say African Americans are encouraged to apply, or Women, or Minorities, that then does not mean only they will be considered, all that means is when two candidates that have similar qualities, the minority will then be given a preference, and this is to fulfill their quota in minority hiring or placement in schools, however if they fall under the accepted requirements then they are not considered, thus if it would have said: Bumiputra are encouraged to apply, that seems like it would have been better then the original statement.

But yes plesae write to Motorola, if you want to call, ask for Ms. Khoo, Admin to the VP of Malaysian Motorola:
Motorola Penang

Motorola Technology Sdn Bhd
Bayan Lepas Technoplex Industrial Park
11900 Bayan Lepas
Penang

Tel : 6-04-6432511

Just to point out some facts.

MMU is one of the most well-equipped universities in Malaysia, partly due to the partnership with companies like Microsoft, Oracle, Fujitsu, Nokia, Cisco and the one in the limelight now, Motorola.

However, incompetent Administration Department has been disappointing the students and parents continuously. Just like government departments, need I say more?

I have seen my Malay classmates who graduate with CGPA of 4.0, and I believe there are quite a number of them.

MMU is not spared from racism, although not that obvious. For example, out of the 20+ food stalls available within the Cyberjaya campus, only 1 is run by Chinese, and another run by Indian, that was in year 2002. Given the racial composition of the students, that doesn't sound right.

And don't blame the university for our poor command on English, it's the secondary schools that gave us 6 years of Bahasa Inggeris lessons.

The bulletin board is meant for internal use only, no so much for the public, should not be compared to The Star or the like. You wanna find some funny usage of English? You'll find tonnes of that in the bulletin board. At least, those who can't write in english published theirs in Bahasa.

You may want to take a look at the bulletin, use the link from the following URL http://www.mmu.edu.my

~ member of MMU Alumni ~

We already contacted them yesterday on Friday and the changes were made, however I would suggest that everyone on here, do more then just rant and rave on here, give them a call, send them a fax, demand an eplanation be given fully in the papers or on the website.

Firing the MMU clerk who wrote the ad will not guarantee that this mistake will not be repeated. The university should revise its statute to include 'equal opportunity' and 'non-discrimination' and ensure that all staff comply with this policy. Please tell them to do this if you write to MMU.

It is good to hear that they had changed the web page. NOw that they have changed it to "Bumiputera are encouraged to apply", I guess our "Dan Lain-lain" brothers can now apply too. Good job, rmo.

And supadepo, pls keep it to the topic and don't take fraction of comments and make it out of a topic. Frankly speaking, no ideas what's their role and what's UMMO's?.... and no I don't wanna know, thank you.

Frank&honest, just a quick question, are you an engineer working for the big 5 in Bayan Lepas FIZ? (Avago, Altera, Agilent, Intel, Motorola) Do you have any idea what is the racial distribution among engineers in the big 5? So before you say that the 'requirements may come from the "corporate diversity" guidelines' is BS, please check your facts. Even in the US, the companies do directly "encourage" the races in the minority to apply, although not as direct as in the advert above. (Lawsuits are expensive in the US, successfully sue a company that makes 40 billion a year and you don't have to work for the rest of your life)

Now consider this, company A gives a significantly larger referal bonus for refering a "minority race" (in this context, non-chinese), and not only it's legal, it's actually being lauded for "promoting diversity".

Another thing people should note, this is a scholarship award. You are getting that freely by their grace. Who are you to question who they want to give their money to? Can you demand me to give you a ringgit, just because I randomly gave someone some money... of course you can... but I will just ignore you.

Folks

If Motorola Technology Sdn Bhd Bayan Lepas Technoplex Industrial Park does not respond publicly to this fiasco, I will write to MOTOROLA Internatioanl Hq for a public explanation.

z

You did NOT read what I wrote earlier. I said I have NO problem or issue if the advert had said "Bumiputras are encouraged to apply".

Take reader "beefstew"s advice... don't take fragments of a statement and make an issue out of it.

Read all the comments first, please, before commenting further, otherwise you will be wasting other readers' time and space.

Sloth

You said... Firing the MMU clerk who wrote the ad will not guarantee that this mistake will not be repeated. The university should revise its statute to include 'equal opportunity' and 'non-discrimination' and ensure that all staff comply with this policy. Please tell them to do this if you write to MMU.

I fully agree with you on this and I fully support your suggestion.

Z

You said...Another thing people should note, this is a scholarship award. You are getting that freely by their grace.

NO.. they ie MOTOROLA or any company can keep their grace to themselves if what they give either scholarships or grants that are going to create social discontent in an issue that is sensitive to multi-racial Malaysia.

In fact, I would call it DISGRACEFUL.

Motorola's human rights policy

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ahGan

You said...MMU is one of the most well-equipped universities in Malaysia

I had hoped you had said that MMU is one of the most well-quipped with HIGHLY QUALIFIED and EXPERIENCED ACADEMIC STAFF and COMPETENT ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF, in Malaysia.

Facilities don't make a world class University or top of the heap University inthe country.

Not so, I believe.

Jeff,
Your last warning is being ignored by some folks who continuously hijack your blog topic.

Thkx mr jeff ooi
it seems that the advert has been changed to "bumiputra" shj. thkx mr. u have just done the best in an effort to uplift the indian minority in this shitful country. thkx sir. hope ur kids can get those scholars instead of my brothas n sistas

wat is really getting my nerve on this? u ,mr jeff, n ur racist readers. yes, lets not pretend , we are all racist bunch of ppl whu wud viote based on race every 5 yeaars or so.
n the best thing is?? 2ndary minorities like the chinese neve speaks against their own racist,discrminatory behaviour. but if sum1 else does it, it will make it into the top news of the day.

JEFF OOI says: Can you see the world beyond your nose? The social-economic dilemma of the Indian-Malaysians are no cause for us to rejoice. They need every effort of help, especially those in the estates but now displaced by urbanisation. But Bangsa Malaysia as a whole should be given recgnition based on merits, not selective preferential discrimination. I will yell the same if Chinese are being singled out for this preferential treatment. But Would you echo and support my call for recignition for Bangsa Malaysia based on merits? Yes or No?

wats the fuss jeeff? im sure many ppl told u this as well..those stupid racialy profiling advert at every stinking newspapers, "chines only" , or under the disguise of "mandarin speaking only" . have u ever once complaint agaisnst those shits in your blog?? no..neve..n neve will rite? yea..u neve did!
the best thing of all is my fellow readers behaviour..whu can actually come to defend such an advert , saying its a skill bla23 n etc. bullshit! my sis had to go all over penang just to convince her wud be employer tat she deserved to get a job rahter than being judged for her race, or actually, for her 'not chinses born' fact. i can tell u this, the adverts of cmandarin speaking only are all just as a mask to say, "hey i want chinese sahaja.." u guys all know it. its just sheer ignorance, n the supremacist feeling among us. kiasu ppl whu wud neve admit their wrong doings.

again, JEFF, wud u have posted anything in this blog if it was given to chinese? if it spells out, preferably chinese..???!!! im sure u wud have ur fingers buzy reporting sumthing else. turning ur 4-eyes to sum other places. keeping ur stinking mouth shut n telling ur readers tat there is no just n equality in our country.
y cant u see this??

i betta stop writing, emo~
i still wud like to thank Jeff n the fellow readers, thkx for destroying the hopes of those poor indians whu wud wanted to study,not being able to get their parents to support them..begging for scholars..for the rigth to have education.
u have just destroyed sum1's lifetime dream. hope not just u, but ur readers whu defended 'other's' wrongdoing by saying its "skill" ..
thkx..hope the shattered dream of my ppl can be enjoyed by ur children.
thk u

Poor motorola, a simple and honorable scholarship award had come to this. next time do not award any scholarship because Malaysians do not deserve it. Malaysia is too complicated a country.as for the Ibans/Kadazans/Melanaus etc, they have been assisted by the federal/state government agencies and Petronas for decades in terms of scholarships. A good example will be the present MD of MAS who was on government scholarship and used to work for shell. If there is a next time for motorola, a scholarship award should ony be for minorities (this would automatically exclude malays and chinese and prevent future misunderstandings)and assist those neglected by the society.

Have sent an email to the EthicsLine & Audit Committee Line of Motorola.

sydput

I support your suggestion. Any assistance by corporations like MOTOROLA, NOKIA and the outher Big in FIZ in Penang to deserving and marginalised minorities, get my support.

Better still, take out the race factor, and base on socio-economic status of families. The very poor kampung folk who toiled day in day out, the poor Chinese in the urban slums, or the poor Indians laboring in the estates are as deserving as the poor Ibans, Dayaks and the Kadazans.

Why not? Because MCA, MIC and UMNO don't really care about them.

streetz

Thanks. You deserve my support and admiration.

mandelism, after all that ranting and raving, are you implying that Indians would never have been able to compete if the playing field is level? And hence your disgust as to why this was highlighted?

Well, judging from your comments, spelling and sentence construction, I can see why. Until contracts and proposals are acceptable, text message-stylem, I think you won't be getting a job from any decent corporation in town. Do learn how to construct proper sentences and spell words like 'thanks' properly first, ok? As they say, the pen is mightier than the sword.

mandelism

What's your point in condemning Jeff?

And please write legibly... this is NOT an SMS handpone forum.

although I do not agree in totality to the hacker-scripted writings of mandelism, he does pose an interesting question that has piqued my interest...

Jeff, would you have posted if it had said "prefereably Chinese" as well?

JEFF OOI says: Take it as a given. Whichever corporate entity offering scholarship AND private university making racially discriminatory prerequisite will have my disapproval. My only currency is BANGSA MALAYSIA based on merits. But will you echo and support my position? Yes or No?

hello guys, sorry for the earlier blunder, was written in hurry.
btw, have u guys read the harvard's study, the sentence where all the words are screwed up but still, it made sense n was fully readable??? yeah, hope tat rings some bell.

btw, back to topic, im not saying indians cudnt have made it under merits, but the financial aspect of it. not many, but still a significant percentage of indians are still can be categorised as living under the poverty lines. there are still many who had never enjoyed a good 3 meals per day, compared to us who's enjoying KFC and nice blended drinks of Coffee Bean.
The fact remains that those marginalised society/people deserve these kind of scholarship more than any race factor. that is the real issue.

but what i am reall disgusted at is the way mr.jeff ussually comments on stuff that is one sided. He never stood up when thousands of advert of similar nature but the benefits goes towards others.

again, sorry for the short-form spellings :D its more of how i type in internet/sms , i am a young brat afterall, welcome to our world :p
to Samarium , i can secure my jobs even before i graduate , thx for yout concern though

hey aput83, you have said it well :D hacker-scripted writings

Folks

Now that MOTOROLA has made public via Jeff's weblog its dissociation with MMU's fumbled advert, I hereby withdraw my call to others for the boycott of MOTOROLA's products.

So please IGNOR my earlier posting calling for the boycott of MOTOROLA products.

P.S. I personally think MOTOROLA products are of high quality and as a matter of fact I doown some of their products like the handphone and on the verge of discarding them down the gutter due to this issue. Thank goodness, it did not come to that.

As far as I am concerned, the issue with MOTOROLA is closed.

responding to your personalized comment, Jeff, I honestly don't know...

seeing as how political parties, even those of which state the Bangsa Malaysia policy in their manifesto now seemed warped...

also there is the factor that all majority parties are divided by race, which does not help...

basically, my standing on the bangsa Malaysia thing is yes, but only if racial unity, and not racial tolerance can be achieved....

and even after...what is it now...close to 50 years? i see such little progress

JEFF OOI says: If things can only happen if we bring change, can we delay it till the next person, till the next generation?

I am glad Motorola has come out with a clear statement on their policy.

Is spite of my and others' earlier comments about language requirements, there are still many who sees discrimination in language specifications.

I advise them to look inwards, and ask, what is hampering them from learning other languages. Often, it is their own ethnocentricism, and yet they accuse others of being racist.

If the majority of jobs requires Tamil, and I need a good job, guess what? I will learn Tamil, and get the job.

Ditto Japanese, Malay, German, whatever is required for survival.

Like someone says language can be learnt, and is a SKILL. Race cannot be changed, and anything based solely on that criteria is discrimination.

Like Jeff, I will make a stand whereever I see discrimination, yes even if Chinaman companies discriminates against other races.

Can you all say the same? Or are you an apologist for the very act you criticise others of?

You all know the answer in you own hearts.

So bising about racial problems... especially if it involves money and scholarships. However, does anyone care about people who feels very frustrated after seeing adverts like:

http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/720/19040615238yl.jpg
http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/5476/19040615233py.jpg

laying around in the university? You can see that "Chinese Only" adverts are everywhere but you hardly see any "Malay only" and NEVER "Indian only." If you wanna bising about being a "Bangsa Malaysia" I suggest you start with yourself, your families and your kids before you even bising about it here.

This is about rooms to let, what has it to do with equal employment opportunity???

No country in the world denies you the right to choose who you let into the privacy of you own house.

Please stick to the issues.

Limeuu:

The smallest things in life matters! Simple things like renting out a room also cannot do and we want to ask ourselves to be equal on working opportunity? HAHAHAHAHAH! Best joke ever. So, the issue is still on the wall.

Those who are critising motorola 4 the advert on scholarship are bunch of hippocrits. I would like to ask Jeff, sorry to say but, would he have posted this on his blog if it had been stated that the scholarship is for chinese students. I don't think so. Would those who condemn MMU and Motorola, especially the chinese, would have posted their negative views in it. I don think so.
There were those who said that the companies whom advertise for chinese speaking only is becoz they are dealing with companies in China.. BULLSHIT... Hallo ppl we are adults, not kids! Don come give me this excuses. Chinese speaking only means they want only chinese ppl, and not those whomever can speak chinese. I've been there and I've seen that. So don come and tell the crap stories here! All of you know that there are discriminations going on here in M'sia. Racial discriminations be it publicly or privately! Please don cover up by giving excuses. There are company which gives out scholarships, and they only choose ppl of certain races. And you all know what are the races. Did anyone made noice or criticise about it. NOPE!!! If you go to any University or college, the ppl of the particular race only help their own race... Any comments about it!!! So don't come and talk about racial discrimination just bcoz of this advertisment.

Agreed with Segaran. As much as you don't want to think about it, racial seggregration exists on all levels. Be it, "Malay only", "Chinese Only", or "Indian Only". When you step into a lecture hall, you can rest assured that there's going to be a group of people who sits with Chinese only, a group of Malays of sits with Malay only and a group of Indian who sits with Indian only [though the latter is somewhat harder to see among guys, true among girls].

Then when you do assignments, you can HELLuva bet that no Chinese would want any other race in their group. Malays and Indians usually don't mind anybody!

Chinese speaking adverts, means Chinese only, mind you. You can try your best to reason out, but chances are, it's Chinese only! Why? Because I happened to go for an interview as a part-timer in Penang [I speakth the language!]

In the end, yes, please don't be so noisy about my university anymore. No one cares, it happens on daily basis everywhere in Malaysia. You want "Bangsa Malaysia"? Try dating other race first.

I'm the product of Malay+Chinese+Indian. :) I don't care who discriminates who, I only prefer people who don't discriminate.

You guys ask for it...

indian only ads

malay only ads

chinese only ads

Well? It's a debate that will never end!

Watan, it is precisely in the public arena that equal opportunity has to be upheld, and seen to be upheld. The "small" matters will follow.

But I see from the spill of vitriol rhetoric that this is a lost cause, and the prevalent culture is an eye for an eye.

Well, guess what? Bolehland is certainly going blind. I weep for this country, if there is any tear left.

Signing off.

Jeff

I think the postings after MOTOROLA has made public their views are all out of relevance under this topic and way out of context.

While I had said there are idiots in MMU who fumbled on the advert, we are about to find the same who keep on hijacking the topic to talk about Chinese Indian and Malay issues.

The topic is about MOTOROLA, a multinational corporation with established and known reputation got entangled with a sensitive advert by MMU.

Ken Watanabe, it makes no difference if you have American Indian blood or if Segaran75 has Chinese blood, the postings are irrelevant to this topic in this forum.

You folks should spill your guts out on those issues when an appropriate platform is provided, not this one

Jeff, they should stay in context and comment related to MMU and the advert.. that we want to hear.

"Those who are critising motorola 4 the advert on scholarship are bunch of hippocrits"

sangeran
..I TOTALLAY AGREE WITH U...its a forum full of hyporicies... biased and profiling on 1 race only

and shame to those who own this blog..

jeff y not u just ask Don jion.. or whutever chinese association NO to harrass Gov. on. National School..if not..

Do no talk about BANGSA MALAYSIA

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from www.jeffooi.com.

"Chinese speaking only means they want only chinese ppl, and not those whomever can speak chinese. I've been there and I've seen that"

ITS The most POLITE way to say.. sorry this for Malaysian Chinese onli.. if you ..Malay. India..sorry.. go home..

supadepo

You do have a SMALL mind after all, as I mentioned earlier

JEFF OOI says: If things can only happen if we bring change, can we delay it till the next person, till the next generation?

heh...touche'..have to agree with you on that point, although I still fail to see how we can unite into a bangsa Malaysia....

frank&honest,

u ask me to see the bigger pic..in prv. comment..

but you yourself dont see the bigger picture..dont you...

look..the MOTOROLA issues is just a shadow of racial card that is the blog owner want to highlight here...where..he seem try to be a champion the race equalitities here.. but here...

but he just ignore that race...there are BLATANTLY RACIAL discrimination with his own race...

and thats y ken watanabe and sengaran75.. try to highlight...that..the hypociries that stinks this whole blog..

what happen if.. the MOTOROLA advert. say..only Malaysia chinese only.. does he going to BARK..
NO...

Y NOT jeff you open in classified the Star..NST or go to SG. Wang..and see the job vacancies...on the outlets..

go and check the reality outside first before try to be champion....

and btw..understand this is your blog but be a responsible owner

as for the honorable sudapepo, please stop inciting racist remarks, for although you speak the truth, you offer no solution to the problem

Folks

Those who make negative and uncalled for remarks about blogs and in particular Jeff's blog,they better read this article in the Washington Post, to better understand the importance and role of blogs like Jeff and others play nowadays.

(People like supadepo just don't get it)

P.S:Sorry, Jeff, maybe out of context here, but I don't know where to post this.. it is relevant to some of the uncalled for comments made against this blog.

Here it is:

CIA mines 'rich' content from blogs
By Bill Gertz
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
April 19, 2006

President Bush and U.S. policy-makers are receiving more intelligence from open sources such as Internet blogs and foreign newspapers than they previously did, senior intelligence officials said.
The new Open Source Center (OSC) at CIA headquarters recently stepped up data collection and analysis based on bloggers worldwide and is developing new methods to gauge the reliability of the content, said OSC Director Douglas J. Naquin.
"A lot of blogs now have become very big on the Internet, and we're getting a lot of rich information on blogs that are telling us a lot about social perspectives and everything from what the general feeling is to ... people putting information on there that doesn't exist anywhere else," Mr. Naquin told The Washington Times

Click here to read more: http://www.washtimes.com/national/20060418-110124-3694r.htm

supadepo

I guess it is hard for YOU to see the Big Picture with a SMALL Mind.

supadepo

Small minds always start an argument with "what happens if..."

Small minds always base on hypotheticals, but offer no solution as aput83 rightly pointed out.

Frank&Honest,

Why wasting your time with the small minds?

You can learn from limeuu by signing off or ignore those comments from the small minds.

yxgs

Thanks. Will take your advice.

It is just that when small minds try to talk the big picture is very annoying and gets into me, some how

Quote chairmanmeow and aput83:

"The race requirements have been removed, but this line has been added instead. - Bumiputeras meeting the above requirements are strongly
encouraged to apply."

"also, now that they have changed the requirements to "Bumiputera's encouraged to apply"

The ad you guys saw was posted on 9th March with 13th March as the closing date (http:/bulletin.mmu.edu.my/v3/view/bulletin_main_search.mmu?s=32975), while the 'racist version' appeared yesterday. Motorola probably received too many applications from non-Bumi students, so it's offering the scholarship once again. But some clerk at MMU, out of his/her own whim, decided that only Indian and Malay students may apply.
:-)

The correct URL is:
http://bulletin.mmu.edu.my/v3/view/bulletin_main_search.mmu?s=32975

Save your breath, Frank&Honest. He is after all small minded. He already stuffed with all the stuff that he can stuff. And the stuffed stuff is definitely not one of your points.

i agree with segaran 100%, its the same voice ehoing from what i wrote previously, which some highly educated brats cudn't understand due to its way of writings :D

again jeff, while u did say you would have stand by if the same thing was done by whoever it is, the fact remains that you sir neve did such thing, ever!

again,guys, the topic might be that thing that was supposed to be motorola's profiling behaviour,which later turned out to be more of an MMU's admins' "typo-ness" (if tats the case :P) . but what many are asking here is wud the so called just,equality -spirited jeffooi had done the same if ,in this particular case, benefits towards some other party.

that still remains an un-prooven act.
wateva it is, if u say ,jeff, tat ur fighting for equallity n all that, n wether im with ya or not, well..yes i am. but are you fully ready to be fair,just n objective? not being one-sided all the time n turning blind eyes towards others??

Jeff

Don't waste your time responding to Mandelism, someone who couldn't be bothered to write in proper English spelling and treating your weblog like an SMS-handphone forum. Really obnoxious.

:P
hi Frank&Honest .
seriously, you think that is so damn important?? spellings,writings,grammar etc?
if so..what are you implying? You can tell people not to answer someone just bcoz in your view he 'doesn't suit the gang'? is not fit for the party/?

its like saying a rakyat shudn't be questioning PM or any BN MPs just for the sole reason he didn't vote for them! Or simply that the big guts shud not care about the poor people bcos the latter can't speak queen's english or even worse, they dun't have a credit card..hahahah

btw, there are many parliementarians , esp non-malays, who can't even speak Bahasa properly, but yet stilll, their views are respected and their questions are answered. obviously you dun't believe in such a spirit.

again, me and my typo-ness
the sentence
You can tell people not to answer someone just bcoz in your view he 'doesn't suit the gang'?
shud have been can't

Suprised to see its 200th posting! M I the one? haha.

To sumarise:
Its a fact that Malaysian Indian is worse off compared to pre-merdeka. why? Indian got robbed! of opportunity perhaps?

a fact that malaysia and singapore start out about the same. try compare the gap of rich and poor between the 2 countries now.

I attended a lot of weddings and function from all ethnic group. Friend of my father and grandfather. They are really good fren!

But then come my generation, we starts to get disillusioned from form 3 and up. We see rich kids being offered local degree and scholarship, poor brilliant kids have to juggle 3 jobs and settle for self-finance diploma.

But heck, nothing we write here can change anything. Its the policy of previous govt. (excl. TAR) thats dividing more than unite. even, the root of these 200 posting comes from it.

I now start to think the british did a better job in uniting us.

Why not ask them to come back and we can fight them as one! .....just kidding :)!

Let us forget about bangsa Malaysia. That is not going to happen. Let us instead strengthen our cultural diversity. Look at the positive side. There are more people now with the ability to communicate in three languages.

" JEFF OOI says: It's over 100 commentaries now. Nobody spoke for my Iban/Dayak and Kadazandusun bbrethren thus far. Don't switch on Tom Cruise's 'Minority Report' please" - My question to Jeff is: If the second advert had stated "Bumiputra" (which would have included the Iban/Dayak, Kadazan and other Bumiputras) instead of "Malay", would you (Jeff) have raised this issue in the first place? I doubt it.

JEFF OOI says: So, you have this fetish for putting words in people's mouth, you presecutor, Judge & executioneer rolled in one? F this is not "biased thinking" on your part, what is?

I suspect that the inclusion of "Indians" along with "Malays" is the primary reason for raising the issue, and not because of your concerns about our brothrens from East Malaysia.

JEFF OOI says: Since when your "suspiscion" is to be taken as the gospel truth in our intellectual discusion of a serious topic?

Some of the responses in this blog certainly reflect this biased thinking amongst a number of bloggers.

JEFF OOI says: Despite by my giving of definition/distinction between "bloggers" and "commenters in blogs", this ignaramus still want to muddle the definitions with his wholesale disinformation.

JEFF OOI says: I have said one time too many, and I have to repeat to educate the ignaramus like uou. In this blog, there is only ONE blogger and that's me (Go google to find find out the definition of blog). The rest who leave their personal commentaries in my blog topics are "COMMENTERS".

Otherwise, Jeff and these bloggers would be very very very busy blogging about racist practices such as "15% discount for Bumiputras", "Untuk Bumiputra sahaja", etc., etc.

JEFF OOI says: DISINFORMATION that's flushed down readers' throat, wholesale.

JEFF OOI says: The self-annointed prosecutor, judge and executioneer at work again. By mentioning all these, you mind is cluttered with subconscoious state of mind that's evidently governed by racialistic inclinations. You are what you said!

Posted by: Kene | April 19, 2006 12:42 PM "

Jeff, Thanks for proving my point with your response.

JEFF OOI says: I stand by what I said. Serpents have forked tongue and I have been venomed once too many times. So, I shouldn't give a damn and waste further bandwidth.

hmm...today, there is a news about this matter in the papers. u guys read The Sun (21/4/06)??? it seems that a student reported this matter to the newspaper n it was reported today? hmm...i saw it on the online newspaper www.sun2surf.com , but b4 u all can view it, u mz sign-up n login then only can u all see the paper. enjoy!

Hi jeff ooi, just a short note to let you know that a week ago (i think it was the 26th of May), Motorola Malaysia phoned me up and offered me a scholarship even though I did not apply for it. I was shocked beyond belief, since I'm chinese, and have always been rejected for scholarships. Looks like my luck has changed eh! But no, I won't be able to make it for the interview so I'm back to square one.

It was really cool receiving the phone call though.

:-)