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Now let's the person or persons who authorised the demolition to ponder upon his or their action whether it brings goodness or otherwise. They are the owner of the consequences that comes with that action.
When one do good it beget good or otherwise.

with this kind of mentality,

klcc is under the threat of being demolished after 100 years...

may sound like a crap

but can they care to preserve some historical building?????

The AFP link leads to an error page...
Try this
http://www.keralaonline.com/news/newsdisplay.php?newsid=1040

So much for multiracial, multireligious harmony.... sigh

Some details can also be found here.

sorry, jeff...know u will delete this post. but certain things just get on your nerve. i'm sorry, but i just gotta do this. and you can delete this post, no prob.

"let's all go demolish all the mosques lah!!!"

JEFF OOI says: I am going to do the outrageous. You know full well the limit we have as law-abiding Malaysians, and yet you chose to hijack this blg topic and worse, to inflame everybody's feeling. You did it on purpose, to inflame. You said I will delete it and you still went ahead to write it. Why did you put the burden on me when you know it should be deleted? This is outright ABUSE of Freedom of Expression NOT upholding it.

I have no mercy for fools like you. Your foolish act -- not without precedent in Malaysia -- will hurt all the innocents including landing this blog in deep trouble, and when that happens, we all will lose this little garden in the cyberspace.

I am going to have you banned from further commenting in my blog, and at the same time, expose your enmail address, and in the worse case scenario, if requested by the auithority, I will reveal your email address and IP address so that ( 1 ) the authority could reach you by contacting your ISP and your email host ( 2 ) the readers at large, if they want, could bombard your email account with their protest.

COMMENTER'S NICK: alienation
IP ADDRESS: 219.9x.xxx.36
TIME-STAMP: 2006-04-25 18:00:01
EMAIL ADDRESS: xxxxxxx@hotmail.com

Let this be my last warning to all those who want to destroy this blog with ill-intentions of their choice.

"So much for multiracial, multireligious harmony...."

tengoklah sendiri, lama kelamaan, semua rumah rumah berhala dan tokong tokong akan terpaksa dibina di luar bandar. [ DELETED -- Seditious and irrelevant to the blog topic ] soal ugama tidak patut dimasukkan dalam isu politik. inilah akibatnya!

In all this mayhem, I wondering what the MIC and Hindu Sangam is doing about this?

Ok, forget about MIC...their track records says for themselves on how well they have campaigned the right of the Indians in Malaysia.

It is true that there may be too many temples in one area but the decision to relocate should be left to the temple committee and not some religion extremists

"So much for multiracial, multireligious harmony...."

err..alienation..do u think by demolished all the mosque will resolve the problems? i'm sorry..me as a muslim also don't like the act by both DBKL and DBSA..i believe in respect each other & harmony..don't blame the mosques becoz of these 2 bdn berkanun. there are some mosque and surau also being demolished by the badan berkanun,such as in Bangi year 2000 i think..so think first before u act okay..

JEFF OOI says: Don't drag in the mosque. I have reprimanded reader 'alienation' the harshest I could.

Let's stop blaming each other. Do something positive, such as making your presence felt tomorrow morning by pleading peacefully that let's build nation around cultural heritage.

to alienation, the mosque and other muslim does not have any involvement in this issue. Why need to drag them in? You are at the same level as those ppl behind these act. If you think these ppl are racist, then you're a racist as well.
Jeff might be in the hot soup if some one from P.Umno read your post.

If by destroying they think they are one up just because to them it is all form, structure and symbols, then they will be badly mistaken. Whats in the hearts they cannot touoch by legislation or the sword. The sword of course worked a long time ago during their expansionist era. But now it will be whittled away in no time.

But then again all these non-muslim institutions are partly to blame for having contributed to their folly. You mean to say in the last 100 over years it did not occur to them at any one time to regularise the structures? Same applies to a lot of churches in commercial buildings and tokongs in residential houses. A lot of these are accidents waiting to happen. I don't care about suraus and mosques that prop up anywhere. They got a law unto their own. But for the rest, just becaue its a religious structure or to be used for religious purposes it does not meant that you ignore public safety standards.

All these arguments wouldn't have took place IF the shrine wasn't being brought down.

"So much for multiracial, multireligious harmony...."
*bullcrap*

Got this from www.umno-reform.com

"abu yahya: berhala hindu memang banyak dekat selangor, pelik sungguh sedangkan kita negara Islam. Bayangkan dekat jalan lama Gombak ke bentong pun ada berhala hindu dalam hutan. paling sedih dekat UIA Gombak,orang India dak tiada dan kurang tapi berhala ada dan bersebelahan dgn sekolah agama intergrasi. Apa nak jadi dgn selangor.pelik,pelik,pelik.Orang bukan Islam boleh buat berhala ikut suka hati sahaja."

I am lost for words. What's happening to my country.I am NOT against the demolition of the temple if in the end we can get a better structure to benefit more people but the idea like this message make one wonder the mentality of some.

Is this one's strenght or weakness??

As Malaysian, I think the building of religious sites must be regulated by the relevant authorities and religious sensitivities taking into considerations.

The local people religion not racial ratio must be taken into account for the number of mosques, temples, churches and what have you before the building of such religious sites.

It will be useless if these sites are under utilised and does not represent the local racial breakdown.

The problem arise because there are too many unauthorised so called religious sites propping up in almost every corner of the country. If every tree or cave are perceived sacred, then we would a big problem.

JEFF OOI says: There might be a difference here. We are dealing with 100-year NOT 100-day temple. A 100-year temple didn;t pop up overnight. I reckon the temple was enshrined in the 100-year-old plantation which was the habitat for the Hindus. Are they now displaced by development as a result of plantations (agriculture land) being converted into realty (commercial projects)?

error "It will be useless if these sites are under utilised and does not represent the local racial breakdown."

correction "It will be useless if these sites are under utilised and does not represent the local religions not racial breakdown.

If you go to section 11, Shah alam, there are not many Hindus living there... the tample was built 100 years ago when Shah Alam was a rubber estate and many hindu live at the place where the tample is. ( Go to Section 11 Shah Alam and see it yourself..)

Since the area was developed to be housing estate, and those estate workers had moved somewhere else, does the tample still attracted dovetees to pray there? or just standing there as a historical building? is it safe? these are the things we need to find out... so come to shah alam and find out the facts....

so does in the case of building the church which was canceled... how many Christians are living in shah alam??? i would prefer it be built between PJ and Subang Jaya as many Christians can have easy access to it compared if it is built in Shah
Alam. Look at the demographic of the populations in a place before making comments as the answer might be there....

Wow - I can't believe this is happening in Malaysia!
There must be some kind of a mistake on the part of the authorities.
This episode brings me flashes of what the Taliban did to the statue of Gautama Buddha in Afghanistan.
To whatever religion any ancient structure may belong to, it is our duty to preserve them for our future generation.
But I guess - money is an international language!

Dear anak_perelih,

I guess the malay authorities should demolish the Kampung Kling Mosque in Melaka, which is one of the oldest mosque in Malaysia, which also happen to be located in a Chinese populated area.

I guess anak_perelih should write a letter asking the gov to do something about it, coz like what he said,

"... does the mosque still attracted dovetees to pray there?"

Great! we are talking about 100 years old historylah. What's is 100 years history? 100 years ago there wasn't Shah Alam. Rubber trees being just planted.

If 100 years mean nothing to you then ask why are we preserving pre war buildings??

And when we talk about religion, should we talk about demographic of population? Can we start with Bangsar 25 years ago?

If the demolitions on the temples taking place have been discussed in a tranparent manner with consent given by the parties involved then protest is futile. But if the authorities are going ahead with demolition without due process and the proper authorisation, then this is high handedness. Shame then to those involved, especially those who gave the greenlight to such barbaric behavior. We are talking about freedom of worship here.

A 100-year old temple is consider an architectural heritage, architecturally speaking. Many people do no see the the importance and value of preserving our heritage. Edifices such as this temple complete our view of a place and its people and enrich our understanding on many levels as time passes. Space can be created in minutes by placing two objects or more, but to create a place...it takes many years. A great loss to the nation!

shame on all of you. with mentallity like this, you will never be a Bangsa Malaysia in the next 100 yrs.

it is a 100 year old temple. It has been around before MBSA or any legal issues has been around. Heritage has a value. But it seems those people who contibuted to this country's progress are no longer part of the history of Malaysia.

Yes easy to say get the necessary approvals. Those who talk about localtion of temples and churches etc based on demographics and building in the right areas, don't kid yourself. Approvals are hard to come by even where there is a real need. Why? Our civil servants and our planners don't seem that is a good thing for them to approve such places.Haram? that is why people end up near roads and shop houses. We are no so tolerant and practising religion is not as free as stated in the constitution anymore!!!

Fight for our rights. No religious structure be it mosque, church or temples should be demolish just cos now it is a housing development without taking into consideration of it is historical value as well as the peoples needs.

Cemerlang,Gemilang, Terbilang...betulke terbilang...temberang la.

of course we will never ever achieve bangsa malaysia. not ever. and don't look at 'us' mentality... look at the politicians' to begin with.

i had also blog on this subject on 22 april.

should we be surprised that this news was not in the mainstream?

Folks

Before you spill your guts out on this controversy, let me say this:

For whatever reasons the temple was demolished, it proves again and again, our chaps in power have NO sense of history.

This is a 100 year old building, a religious site, to boot. Leave aside religious and other sentiments.

Our bureaucrats had done a pretty good job of trying to remove all traces of our colonial history.. changing road names, buildings etc as if the British colonials had never been here. You see or here much aboutYap Ah Loy and beginnings of Kuala Lumpur except in the Museum, and that is because of no choice. We even tweak history to suit our current myopic sense of patriotism. Not too far different from what the Japanese Govt is doing to their views of Japan's involvement in WWII

The historical Melaka sites were retained for tourism. If not, they would have been brought down too.

Urban development can always work around historical buildings.. for goodness sake, this IS a 100 year old building, not one built in 1960.

In China, the communist country and those hard-faced communist leaders are proud of the fact they had one of the oldest mosques in the world and they did not go and bring it down,either for ideological reasons or to make way for urban development.

They say: A nation that pretends not to acknowledge of its own history, goes nowhere...it is like a ship that has no direction.

Sad and stupid. Very stupid, to say the least.

I think its not about safety, but the commercial value of the land, that why they are gonna demolish it. Someone upthere is gonna make good $$$$ out of this project. i doubt that we can stop them, unless uncle sam comes out to help. i set my alarm clock, hope to be there by 6am

LittleBird

What else can you get from UMNO related websites. It is always about racial/religious prejudice,from a bigoted point of view.

You cannot rationalise with these chaps... they are too emotionally bound in their self-belief that they lose their sense of balance when it comes to a debate on ideas. The trouble is they may have a point, but they just can discuss it rationally without pouring out their parochial and prejudiced views about other people,who they see as aliens to them.

What you read or quoted is a reflection of those UMNO Youth chaps in action in real life. Hope you have not forgotten about the famous "keris display" at the UMNO General Assembly.

Don't waste your time lamenting what these obtuse characters say on the website. Focus on how to find ways to save 100 year old buildings in the country for the heritage of our future generations.

i am sure they didnt pay off some ppl. they can tolerate illegal hawkers, mamak shops using five foot way to set up tables, they can rape the forest in shah alam till kontang, etc. arent these our local version of the italian mafias? pls go check who will get the plot of land. but i tell u, even if they fail to demolish today, somehow they will find other means to evict them.

If the 100 years temple is not fully utilised, maybe what the government should do is work with the head of Hindu religious body to convert the temple into a museum of some sort, maybe as part showcase of Malaysian multicultural, multi etnic, multi religion.

Being 100 years means it is a historical site which is worth keeping.

That is my 2 cent, unless of course the real reason they want to demolish them is that "some parties" can build something which make them tons of $$, won't be surprise actually :)

I remember there is an old building in Melbourne (If I am not mistaken) inside a new building. They retain the old building because of the historical reason, pretty cool I think.

Maybe that can be done here. Declare the temple as a national tressure and change it into a museum instead.

Quote from The Life of Reason (1905) by George Santayana,

*Matters of religion should never be matters of controversy. We neither argue with a lover about his taste, nor condemn him, if we are just, for knowing so human a passion.

*Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.

There is nothing you can do really. Sounds bleak huh? I am so sorry to all the Hindus brothers and sisters.

I hope nobody will get hurt if there will be any protest.

Like I said before, "if they superstitiously think that by blowing off the statue of Buddha will bring them rain, well by all means blow the statue off and do it fast".

how come we can watch foreign news on rtm/tv2/ntv/8tv on riots in other countries, demonstration but we cant even get some decent news on our front of what's happening within our own soil? do we need to go to foreign country to know what's really happening in Msia? Can someone pls ask the PM why?

To amplify what Frank&Honest mentioned, the people in authority have been "history-cleansing" for a number of years already.

It was not so long ago that the most venerable Stadium Merdeka was targetted to be de-constructed for commercial purposes. Your grandchildren will only have known of one of the most prominent buildings in Malaysian history through a video documentary in time to come. Thank goodness that ambition has been forestalled.

The erasure of events past and notable have been given a spin for many years now - see how the school text books have had history rewritten.

Maybe it was ignorance that led to this 100 year old temple from being left out of being classifeid as a Heritage building.

We need history to be inclusive of all things good and bad to create our Malaysian legacies but not those created by omission.

Amazingly, this topic was discussed in livejournal's malaysians community earlier.

Few questions first:

This temple was also threatened to be demolished in 2001 and 2004. Since then, were there steps taken to ensure the security of the site? You know, like getting UNESCO to certify it as an historical site?

Secondly, how come MIC didn't "turun padang"? With all the hype between SMS voting polls, which Mawi won, and the fact that Samy gave his handphone number out, surely he was reachable..

The practice of crashing down temples is not a new issue, it's been going on since the late 70's. A school in Shah Alam (before known as Sg. Linggam) was built on such a site.

I do not support the demolishing of such a temple, which was on government land, but I do voice my concern about the preventative measures these people should have taken to ensure their religious structures' existence, especially since such an act was almost carried out twice...

Not too long ago Stadium Merdeka was targetted for destruction to make way for 'sporting facilities' . I wasn't born the day 'MERDEKA' was echoed through that stadium, but I know that 'sporting facilities' can NEVER outweigh the IMPORTANCE of such a landmark both geographical and historical.

A brief note, anyone whose been to mid valley knows that at the parking entrance of the shopping mall lies a temple. I'm quite sure it's a Hindu temple. How did progress and that temple manage to find a common ground? In other words, what are the authorities planning to build that cannot be built around the temple. If Malaysia can build a enourmous shopping complex and preserve a temple, if Malaysia can build an Airport in the Jungle, can't we build whatever it is they're planning to build while keeping the temple intact.

The best option to protest and and protect these historic and cultural sites. Religion is not the issue here, rather the councils that are acting on these 'projects'. Personally, I will never believe in the system currently employed by the govt, and quite certainly not in my lifetime. Sometimes, when you involve religion and race in making decisions like these, common sense cannot prevail. There has to be a balance... and what better way then to be a trensparent society. As the saying goes, Msia Boleh !

Yet another ugly face of "DEVELOPMENT" and "ESTABLISHMENT! Because Malaysia has KLCC doesn't mean we can simply destroy any historical building!

It seems this country refuse to learn what happens to the pass, thus tragedy/disaster will keep repeating.

Ever wonder why USA is a great country? Because they are proud of their "shallow" 200 years history. The history is never their burden, and they are not "ASHAME" or mentioned the history of prior independent.

Try to get a copy of today school history text book, you will be suprise how it is written to suit current political agenda.

Frank&Honest, I don't think China has anything to be proud about. The 60's Literature revolution has destroy lots of historical artifacts/building, for the name of "NEW establishment".
Those remaning heritage are due to best effort and braveness of some individual.

Our constitution has the freedom to worship our own religion enshrined. However, in practice, many of the temples and churches are sited in places not approved by the authorities and therefore no permit to use them for religious purposes were given. I am arguing for the authorities to allow for such permits be given since religion teaches us to do good, so why make this process difficult? In denying such applications, many new places of worship has sprung up illegally thereby causing more misunstanding in future when they are closed down or demolished in the name of the law.
I agree with Jeff that the temples in question are 100 years old. The pre-exist our constitutions so must be allowed to exist because of the importance to the Hindus. Let us not be inflexible about allowing a minority race to practice their religious rights. In any case, why not let the temples remain and design development projects around it? Like the shrine that was left untouched at the Mid-Valley Mall because it was deemed a holy place by the Hindus? It seems like many of our government agencies never learn to be sensitive and help create an integrated society. Every such action cuts further wounds into our fragile inter-racial relationship. Never mind if these actions are not caused by one race against another for this is flawed thinking. However, how can this stop the aggrieved parties and bystanders from drawing a generalised conclusion? I am sad that we are no where nearer to wawasan 2020. Instead we have drifted further into the past because I remember we NEVER have such problems in the 60s or 50s.

Correction:

They pre-exist our constitutions so must be allowed to exist because of the importance to the Hindus.

According to some people "demographic" and "usage" theory, perhaps European should demolish Beethoven home, Mozart birth place, etc historical building. Because not many of the local people are in the musical industrial.

Again, as many people has pointed out here, it is HISTORICAL value that matters.

Look at Bolehland ways of handling history, it seems we are going through some sort of "literacture revolutions".

moo_t

The 60s cultural revolution was a throwback..Mao's senile adventure which every Chinese today said was a dark period. hey have not forgiven him for that nor the Chinese ever forgotten the first emporer Wang Di did to burining books. If I understand Chinese culture well from my Chinese friends, Chinese by nature respects literature.

What I am saying is that we Malaysians, especially our leaders, living in a 21st Century, seems to behave like the Talibans (as well mentioned by some readers) dynamiting the Buddhist statues in Afghanistan ( yes, there were no more Buddhists there and the place is empty with people and the Talibans felt those statues were an eyesore and an affront to them and their radical beliefs). You tend to sense some remote similarity here, if not for the very reasons for pulling down a 100 year old Hindu temple.

moo_t

On the greatness of USA. You can say about Australia too. They retained Aboriginal names in their cities and road names and places, despite having successfully colonised the place and done evil and unforgivable things to the Aborigines.Aboriginal terms and words used freely alongside with English names like Canterbury, Doncaster etc

"Canberra" is an aboriginal word, by the way.So are names of towns like Wanggarata.

Just a few years there was a huge internationl big-do with the official launching of the biggest (in Asia or in the world, I forgot) with a statue of Buddha somewhere in New South Wales, and Australia is not even a Buddhist country.

Although a small country with about the population size of Malaysia, there is general acceptance of cultural diversity at both political and societal level.

Are we moving backward while some of our parochially minded, keris-waving leaders, keep telling us to move forwards to be a 1st world country by 2020?

Here is a case of ATTITUDES and INTENT don't match.

moo_t

China has everything to be proud of now... I just visit one of the oldest mosque in China, dated back to the Thang Dynasty...

You know, if you tear down protected historical building, you going to be a statistic in the firing-squad log-book. This is how serious it is. Don't talk about last time 40 years ago or what... just look at things now.

moo_t,

From my observation, our form four history text book teach our children few civilisations...erm great civilisations cramped into one chapter and then "one" particular civilisation in four chapters...

It doesn't need an idiot to guess what civilisation is that.

Correction: doesn't need a genius to guess...

1st world country my foot. 1st country in the world to behave and move backwards to parameswara days.

groo,
looking at the brighter side of life -Parameswara changed his name to Raja Iskandar Shah (I think that's the name he took). maybe he was very far sighted & had embarked upon implementing the concept of malaysianisation or bangsa malaysia from his days, keeping in mind that it is a criminal waste of time talking sense to a pea brained faction of our society (p.s.: no pun intended at any particular race, community or religion)!
And of course - when we have esteemed MIC leaders like MGR Samy Vellu - what can the Indians expect - even a direct kick in the butt of our fellow Indians will make no difference. The Indians in Malaysia are so dogmatic that they can all be shipped to India( am I stepping on a landmine?) without any form of resistance whatsoever. After all, they can then be so very close to their beloved movie stars & Indian politicians.
is pemuda UMNO getting a cargo ship ready by any chance???
have a nice day fellow Malaysians! Malaysia - truly pathetic. AMEN.

An unofficial update on what has transpired:

Only Facts, please review this yourself.

1. MBSA Sent a letter to Clear out the 'RUMAH SETINGGAN' within 7 days. On failure, they will demolish the preimse without warning. The premise belons to the nearby school. Scooh headmaster made a police report that a 6 foot wall was erected in the school's compound (5 inches, or just over the perimeter on the orriginal wire fence).

2. Around 100-150 people gathered in the temple at 7am onwards for the morning prayers.

3. Exco Member Sivalinggam came to review situation, claimed that he is negotiating with the authorities in the meeting. He was the only Indian in the 40 odd members.

a. He initially accused that the people sent false SMS that the MBSA were to tore down the temple.

b. After a comment from the floor, saying that there was an official letter with that very intend, he said he didnt care about the sms & asked to drop topic.

c. Question from floor: For 30 years polititions came but the problem exist. The people wanted to buy the Land form the goverment. Sivalinggam rejected the notion & suggested that they should ask the goverment to give the land instead. Sivalinggam claimed no knowledge about the 'Rumah Setinggan' letter. He left soon when the reporters came.

d. Jacob George gave a statement to the Press (Maccal Osai - People's Voice & Malaysia Kini with some members of the Temple Community)

They Claimed that PKNS when developing the area ignored the temple from the Map & making the entire place as School's property.

The Temple is 107 years old & by British & Malaysian Law, After 8 years. The occupant has the right to own the land.

The temple has documentation that the British gave the land to them for religious purpose as well as documentation that it exist for 107 years.

MBSA only argument was there were not many Indians staying in that area & they do not have the right to have any temples there. They suggested an area in Seksyen 18 but no lots was ever shown.

MBSA has evidence that the cars parked along the road caused traffic jams on Friday nights. The floor questioned the Mosque Friday's prayers jams are even worse.

Jacob summarised that MBSA must acknowledge the Select Temple Commitee & they have the right to directly negotiate the purchase of the Land.

3. Three teams, 1 Stayed in the temple, 1 to the MB's office & another to the MBSA. Objective to Nullify the 'CLEAR RUMAH SETINGGAN' Letter.

4. Signatures will be raised to protest against this unlawful proposal.

5. Later accompanied by Pushpa from Keadilan.

6. MBSA to postpone action from the recommendation of the police. Police was told by a few sources to persuade MBSA to stop this action.

7. The temple is not a hut under a tree, it a full blown temple, made of bricks & could withstand around 1500 people in its compound. It is well done, very clean with 6 foot wall perimeters around it.

2 buildings in the Temple, 1 the Temple, 2 the store.

Its located in Seksyen 11, on the Hill, next to the school. Since the school took 95% of the land & its entrance covered by the school & 2 bunglows, the temple was elevated & built a nice stairs to the road below.

8. During my camp there, I saw around 8 police rounds, 3 MBSA rounds & 4 Full Black Pajero rounds. An Informer in a motorbike parked across was also there.

They waited & passed each time writing someting & radioed back.

9. No one brought any weapons. We we all dressed in long sleeve shirt & pants (working attire) & was advised not to obstruct police & the authorities. Some advised us to pray when they came.

10. Later talks with the people there revealed that Hissamuddin made the decision to take down this temple as a result of the Police report of the Headmaster.

11. The Final Say from MBSA Was a 30 days any time Action notice. The Temple WILL BE TORN DOWN.

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I am personally very sad that:

1. The polititions did nothing to solve this problem once & for all.

2. Rejected the motion to buy the land.

3. MBSA labled an Hindu Temple as a Rummah Setinggan.

4. Sent 2 letters & only reffered to the letter to demolish the Brick Wall perimeter of the Temple while denying the RUMMAH SETINGGAN Letter.

5. Not a Single Muslim came to Support us knowing that this is unlawful. Perhaps they dont know.

Are you going to let your brother's holy place being torn down?

6. This news was not publised in the Mainstream News Papers. Shame on you.

7. The Failure of the Goverment to acknowledge & understand a 107 year old historical building.

8. The failure of the goverment to understand the needs of the Hindus saving the temple.

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Facts about Hinduism that Muslims dont know.

1. The Salais (Statues) are not god. We never prayed to it & will never will. It is a representation of god so people can focus & understand god better.

2. There is only One God, We never had many gods. The same anology that God (islam) has many names apply here.

3. The Bells are Good. Ringing a bell is a sign to call the devotees to pray. The same anology goes to the person that shouts the azan. We both ask our devotees to Pray.

4. Friday is an Auspicious day. Same as the muslims.

5. Hinduism is a religion os peace, In no context the Hindu bible address fighting, war & always expressed tolerence among its devotees.

6. Hinduism was the first religion with documented evidence & was since without any formal structure. It defines a religion as a relationship between Man & God, nothing in middle. It does not have small temples & Big temples as Suraus & Masjids, but just a universal Temple.

Thus, the tradition goes & people built temples convinient to them. Pray in there for the faith they had.

Each Temple is devoted to a name of god. A Name of god possesses the essentials & qualities to persue that objective, eg, Saraswathi - Goddes of knowledge, one must be pure to study & never place any book at the feet level. This emphasis the respect to books & knowledge.

7. Hindus believe that only the Light was inportant & they must face a certain direction to pray. Therefore, a hindu needs is only the light of the lamp to pray.

8. The Salais was an elaborated attemp to recreat the impression of god. The core was the Linggam, the Black stone, some say made as the similar material as the Black stone in the Kabbah (Correct me here). Future salais were made of different stones.

9. The hindus view the Temple as a sacred place. This is a sensitive issue & its regarded the same as any muslim.

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So you see, Muslims, Christians, Bhuddhist, Sikhs & Hindus are actually the same, we had the same forefathers somewhere above, & therefore we are brothers & despite what the seperatist goverment sect may accuse us of, we know deep in our heart that the land belongs to god & as blood is red among is, we owe it to all of us to stand togather.

I plea that everyone, Hindus & Non hindus to help save the Seksyen 11 Temple.

Thank you & God bless.

to quote the previous msg.."b. After a comment from the floor, saying that there was an official letter with that very intend, he said he didnt care about the sms & asked to drop topic." -- what exactly is that supposed to mean? The EXCO member wildly speculates that the whole issue was blown out of proportion because of a 'fake sms' and then back tracks by saying he wasn't bothered by the 'fake sms'?? Did he even bother to respond to the DBSA ultimatum? Too many stones left unturned here.

dear nitro5,

honestly I think theres a great deal of confusion on the way the letter was written.

I guess thats the reason why the sms content seems fake. Because no one could inteprete the letter properlly. The Exco member was right in his way, his interest was to protect the indians as well as to keep peace. I wont blame him on this matter. I would personally thank him for coming over in the first place.

To me, I woudnt think MBSA would go to that length to tear down a temple. But couple with the April 21 event, people were equally worried.

While MBSA could be referring the 'Rumah Setinggan' as the wall erected in the 5 inches exterior of the previous fence, it could also mean the entire temple itself.

No one was certain of this. In fact, there was another letter specificaly only to remove the wall.

This confusion caused a gread deal of fear as what I observed.

If the wall was the issue, then the previous letter should be nulled. Thats what the people want.

So what people do when they were worried? Panic?

I hope MBSA could resolve & define the actual meaning of 'Rumah Setinggan' in this context. This will help us all.