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No only Bangladeshi, what about those Negro from Nigeria that wandering along our streets. There was an incident that some Negro broke out from police custody few year ago.

It is a very seriuos social problem but what happens to police and immigration ?

I am sure that Pak Lah is not on top of this problem !!

Oh dear God.

I'm Bangladeshi. My parents are both Bangladeshi. My dad works an honest job as an MD of a property company (mum's a housewife). We are not all out to prey on your "local wives"!

It was articles like these that caused so much trouble for me growing up. Students and teachers at school would tell me to "go back to your country" (never mind that I was born in Johor and have been in Malaysia all my life). All because of stupid stereotypes.

Illegal immigrants span all nations. Seducers span all nations. Why get fixated on one race?

Pentiumboy: man, how racist of you. People of all sorts break out from prison and you concentrate on the Nigerians?

Tiara , my sympaties to you being born a BANGALA ,But Pentiumboy does have a point.Never mind the fact that you were born in johor ,being a Malaysian is something else and you wont get it cause both your parents are Bangala.Bangaladeshis and Nigerian DO Create social problems in malaysia,thats a fact.Indonesian workers do no have the same problem . call me a racist ,and go tell the 328 (1999) kids born out of wedlock of bangaladeshis Daddys everything is ok .ALL men are equal,its just some are more equal than the other.

yes, a lot of them do bring in problem but who is the one allow them to come in at the first place?

*somehow i need to admit racist is a social problem but which country without racist (even U.S. that always say 'human right')?

Tiara,

We are talking about bangladeshis that DO prey on local wives.

Well, in this case, it is not you. So don't worry ya. We (I want to say 'I' but in this case it just doesn't sound right) don't generalized matters. In this case you are good bangladeshis. :-).

Welcome to Malaysia. Land of all Possibilities.

Remember that case whereby a group of africans kidnapped a girl and then gang raped her??

how did that case ended?

as if there aren't some chinese, korean, taiwanese or japanese migrants who don't cause trouble.

If you want to get to the root of the problems that increase desperation and the crime rate among Bangladeshies and Nigerians, then let's look for the IMF and the World Bank. They're the ones who sliced up and shackled India and Africa.

feel better now?

you guys talk as if Bangladeshies and Nigerians are a general problem.

that's hypocrisy. don't some Malays, especially those in UMNO, talk about Chinese and Indians in the same way?

The Immigration Department certainly is sleeping on their job. But then again, many of the illegal immigrants are actually conned to work in Malaysia. So the employment agency (EA) is at fault as well. The government needs to regulate the licenses awarded to the agency and appoint only specific agency. But then again, by doing so, there will be abuse and later you have EA Kings!

Anyway, the message is meant for those immigrants who cause trouble here. Not for the one who observe the law and live responsibly as a good citizen. So for all immigrant out there, make no mistake about this.

Kris Khaira,

The IMF issue is a separate one compare to this. We are talking about illegal immigrant who created a lot of social problem in Malaysia.

Call it what you want, say what you want, it does not change the fact that the statements are racisit. People used to say and still do the same about blacks in the USA. In fact I remmber in university there a class called Socio-Geography that people in the US think it is mostly the blacks that were liviing on welfare, when in fact it was white poor people.

You mention the Negro who broke out of prision and also you mention: "Remember that case whereby a group of africans kidnapped a girl and then gang raped her??"

Umm have you forgot where you are? Malaysia, where every day in the papars ther are articles of people raping people, gang rape,. Now by going by the paper alone we would infer that it is mostly Malay's that gang rape, cunduct insest, and rape strangers. There are reports now and then of a chinese and once in a grea great while an Indian, but mostly in the papers it is reported that it is Malay's thus by going what is written above we can deduce that most malay's are or would rape if given the change. Yet we know for a fact this is not so. The reason it gets this way is because of the way the government or papers paint the picture, perhaps ther are a lot of cases where they do crimes here in Malayia, however that does not mean it is the majority, there needs to be a "real" case study done in order to determine that.

This country always interested in oputting labels on people. The comments I am making above are true, there is no difference in what I wrote and what some others here have wrote about the Bangladeshi. There are thousands of the same here where we can go back and fourth, instead of looking towards the bad, we should look at the good and protect those that are being taken advantage of also like the person at the top. Apologizing that he was born a Bangladeshi believe it or not is a racist comment, try hard to find a proffesor of Sociology to say different, he should be proud of what he was born as, he is a hard worker and so are his parents. Other wise I suppose all Blacks in the US are murders, robbers and rapist, all Northan Irish are terrorist, all Malay's are rapist and all Muslims are terrorist, all American white are dishonest, all Chinese men care only about money and have mistresses on the sides, these are stero types.

May i suggest the setting-up of a Cabinet Committee to look into this urgent matter. This is something far more important then the 30sen fuel hike.
The point here is that its not on THEIR agenda. After the Police Commission they should have followed it up with inquiries of the Immigration, Customs and JPJ. Which in my opinion are not probed because of THEIR links eg. under declaring of duties for imported cars etc. And why hasn't TV3 make any reports againts JPJ patrol officers who stay in their vehicles while the so called offenders have to lean thru the JPJ vehicle's window to pick up (or maybe drop off)a summons.
The root of the problem is corruption, thats how a majority of foreign workers get in here in the first place. So before blaming foreigners of misdeeds THEY (the new cabinet committee) should look into the our first line of defence ie. Immigration Dept. for answers!

Amdy_red66

You hit it right on the head of hte nail. It is not about, or it should not be about who is here working, it should in fact be about how, and who is allowing it. Have the people in government actualy start doing their jobs and actually take responsibility for their own actions and their employees.

Pardon me for creating the sensation.

Just imagine that you are a woman and waiting at LRT station while surrounded by few Nigerian, if you don't feel that you are being threaten , then call me a racist.

All perhaps you can try this book :
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0029146739/002-8052589-6427222?v=glance&n=283155

The Bell Curve: Intelligence and Class Structure in American Life

Well in Sabah we have problems with PTI coming from Indonesia and Philipines.. I don't think it got to do with any race. It does however cocern/caused by foreigners especially those Pendatang Tampa Izin (PTI) who are to me mostly criminals who should be dealt with the harshest possible way.

Recently (23rd Feb 2006 - a friend was a victim of a group of them) these PTIs harrasing locals and also tourists especially women walking to their cars by surrounding them and asking for money and flashing and molesting them when refused. They even tried to open any car doors when they stop at traffic light especially female drivers. That is happening in Kota Kinabalu town itself.

I don't think we should blame any particular foreign race. We should talk about why are these PTIs allowed in the first place, given a chance to intimidate locals.

What are those so called immigration department worker doing?

They roam easily without anyone stopping them. Only occasionally we have "wayang kulit" raid to catch and deport PTIs.

No RACE is evil.

Only PEOPLE are.

Pentiumboy.

You said:
"Just imagine that you are a woman and waiting at LRT station while surrounded by few Nigerian, if you don't feel that you are being threaten , then call me a racist."

You are perhaps correct in that, same will be said in the US, have a white women standing on the Subway platform with a group of African Americans Teenagers near here alone, I am certain she wil feel scared as well, is it justified, perhaps not perhaps yes, but what is the point, if we feel scare by a group of people then ban them?

My wife feels scared when a bunch of men no matter whom they are Chinese, Malays, etc stand around when she is just one of a few people standing on the LRT, should they be banned from being on the LRT.

What I am saying here is you are racial profiling, remmber how upset we all got about the US doing that when ever Malays would travel to America, we said it was wrong and unfair, well if you want to ban Bang. from being here like that, or at least subject them to this, then it should be no problem or concern for the US, UK to stop every single Muslim or Malay coming into their country and question them based on their nationality or race or religious belief. You are subjectgating and picking on an entire group or race based on the actions of some.

Remmber this sort of thing happened also during WWII, also in the Balkins, hell even in Indonesia a few years back. Basing things, anything on race, ethnicity or religion is racist period.

The government here is at fault for nolt having a proper checks and balance in its immigration. Why is it over here we are always ready to balme others, or dear god if someone is to blame one of us. It is not the people coming over here that cause all the troubles. I am certain that if a proper study was conducted we would clearly see that the majority of rapes, thefts, etc are our own country men. After all I see in last weeks' papers more then 47 crimes lsited and out of them around something like 38 are local people.

Yes ther are some that comit crimes, yes there are some from other countries also, but by and large most I believe are hard working.

And remmber we have a lot of our own people working in countries like the US, Australia, UK illegally also, should they be banned? Should they ban all Malaysian's from those countries from working and going to school. Or is this another typical case where we want it one way for us and another way for others. In other words, we can do what we want to other people, but no one has a right to do the same to us.

One last note, as I have said on here before in the past, I went to school in the US during my jr, high, highschool and university years.

I had been in a few fights, most where by African Americans picking on me. So does that mean I should hate or not trust them, no way, I know that was just a few of them, jerks that is all.

Majority of Indonesian stay here and work in construction and plantation sectors

Major of Vietnamese works here in manufacturing sector

Majority of them contribute to the economy of this country and they DO NOT create much social problems.

I mean "Majority"; what is the majority of Nigerian staying in this country contribute ?

Pentiumboy,

I agree with what you said above, I agree with every word you said there, however that does not change the fact that it is still racism and discrimination. I have seen time and time again Nigerians standing around street corners in KL doing nothing (at least this is what it appears) I have seen them walk around in groups and even felt a little nervous around a few of them (and I am a very large man for Malaysia myself), I have even had bad thoughts about them. However as long as these particular people did not harm me, or do something illegal that I know of, it is not my place to judge them and make assumptions. Even if we have 100 visitors a month from Nigeria and even if 20 of them a month steal, cheat, etc, that does not mean we should ban them from coming here, or ban them as a whole or label the entire country people as thieves.

Unless we ourselves our God and have the choice to say who (as a people) are bad or not, then we should still judge people as individuals for their own actions. I was raised arouind many racist people including certain people in my family and when I went to school I had very strong beliefs about certain groups of people only to learn differently.

Again you analogy is only topical, based on what is seen by a few, based on an assumption. there are nigerians that are honest and decent.

Another reference could be made like this, a couple of years ago, the majority of child porn sites were coming out of japan, therefor Japanese people must not mind child porn. However we know this not to be true. There are real and legitimate nigerian companies and even people doing some business here. But of course the ones we see hanging around on the streets in KL are most likely not that type. However that does nto mean every single one of them are criminals.

Remmber it is extremely easy to fall into racist beliefs and justify them, very easy indeed.

One more note, you said: "I mean "Majority"; what is the majority of Nigerian staying in this country contribute?"

That is fine but can you at least back some of this up with some actuall data, not what the newspapers say, not what you have seen with your own eyes, not what one of your friends have said or been victim to, but some actual data from a government study that shoes in fact the majority are bad or useless, or a university study, or some sort of emperical reseach. If you want to come back and say, you do nto need any of that, you know for yourself what you see with you own eyes, then that is a racist comment becuase it is based on a sterotype which is very easy as I had stated above earlier about perceptions of Malays and Chinese to the rest of the world.

If they are here as tourist do the not spend money here, buy things, shop, eat food, etc thus contribute to society and of course I am talking about the legitimate ones here.

This is an inferiority complex issue amongst "some" local men who cannot handle the fact that "their" women find Bangladeshi and Nigerian men sizzling hot. Get a life folks. Stop being so bigoted. Stop trying to divert the issue by stereotyping and accusing these Bangladeshis and Nigerians of crimes.

I may be a local guy, but I say that Malaysian women have the right to choose whomever they want to be with. This is the 21st century. So, stop trying to control "your" women. Besides, there are far more serious issues in this country.

Another great point made by AL, true what does it matter if our local Malaysian women find Bangladeshi and Nigerian, or for that matter, Singaporean, American, Russian, Thai, etc etc men attractive, it is their choice. Of course some on here will say it is bad because these men use these women to either gain entry or live in Malaysia, even though that is funny because we know a non-Malaysian man marring a local woman does not get him PR status here. Or maybe some will say it is because they want her money, well if that is so then let the law deal with those particular men for cheating. But then there are a lot of local women who are looking for UK, American, Canadian men also so they can migrate to those countries, perhaps they should make laws as well. If it is simply becuase we do not like our women beign with these men well then why not caged the women up, or better yet hide them away from public eyes. Oh sorry that was done in a few other countries already.

When are people here goign to be treated like adults and allowed to make decisions for them self. Or better yet when will people here start acting like adults.

I think Miss Aishwarya Rais is the most pretties woman in the world and I think a lot of young girls fall for Mr Abhishek. However , a lot of cases where these foreigners run away or disappear after marrying the local girls.

What happens to the childeren that leave behind, it is indeed create a lot of social problems for years to come.

Please do not talk about one or two decent Nigerian , Bangaldesh, Pakistan and Nigeria are poor country , they do not come here for sightseeing.

Please don't talk about God or humanity, look at French right now, they consider Algeria is part of the soil of French , look at the social unrest they are facing now, it is totally screw up

Pentiumboy

You said: "Please do not talk about one or two decent Nigerian , Bangaldesh, Pakistan and Nigeria are poor country , they do not come here for sightseeing. "

I had already asked before you commented, please present your facts, point us to a study, you are saying one or two decent, that is a very strong statement, either you can produce some sort of actual study that shows the statistics of amount of visitors a year in porportion to amount of crimes conduct by individuals from these countries to substantiate your cliam, or it is a baseless account based upon what you have seen with your own eyes and read in the papers once in a while.

Malaysia is considered a very poor country by other country standards, the US has Malaysian's visiting the country only to over stay and work illegally there. I personally know of about 16 people over the last 10 years who have gone there and not to return. They cost the American people and government looses in unpaid taxes, etc. However I do not have an actual study to show how many there are. But I am certain the by and large the majority are honest and are there to visit.

Your claim is a racist claim though, based soley on your persoanl feelings which is obvious on here with how you discuss it. So be it, it is oyur right to be that way, howewver that does not make it right for the government to act as a racial party.

Unless you can point to an actual study, statistics, etc, the claim is still based only on assumption, we all know well to often our ministers here play the emotion card to gain points with the public without showing actual proof.

What does the French have to do with Malaysia? Are we owned by them, are we tryign to be like them, so what if they are doing that, it does nto make what we do any more right does it?

I said before so I will say again, perhaps countries like America and the UK should interogate any Malaysian coming to their country, hold them them at the airport for several hours and drill them with questions since there are in fact Malaysians that do stay on illegally there. Or more so how about every person with a Muslimn sounding name be held and interviewed, not at random but all of them. They can justify it by saying well, in the last few years there have been several terrorist acts in the world and the peopel who have done them claim to be islamic thus we can justify doing this. Would you agree to that, or is it a double standard? Truth is we know for a fact that the majority of muslims in the world are very peace loving and kind honest people thus the above would not be right be any means at all.

Dear rmo

You just do not possess the ability to debate and argue based on a confined topic

Please read the following book :
The Bell Curve: Intelligence and Class Structure in American Life and it argues that intelligence is largely genetic.

May be you just do not have certain gen, can't blame you

Go to do some other thing , probably be a magician , acrobat or an artist but don't ever coem back to the debate

Goobye rmo, we won't miss you

PB,

Your comments are you own to make, fortunately you do not own this blog to tell me to leave. Secondly there is plenty out there that also suggest intelligence is also environmental constructed by our social contacts, funny how you assume I have been left without the gen and yet you have it. Didn't know you were my doctor. This sounds a bit like the message board at yahoo where ppl resort to name calling or insults.

My point may not have been articulated in the best light above, however does not change the point that these were in fact racial comments, and also you still refuse to show any data to support the arguments above for the majority of them being here causing problems, otherwise you again are still speaking off the cuff of your sleeve. Please do not lecture me on debates, etc, you do not know me nor know my past or history, however I assure you I am not a simple high school graduate, I have a couple of university degrees and have been working in international business professionally for more then 18 years

PentiumBoy

Don't tell me you base your whole opinion on intelligence on one book without scientific conclusiveness, cos that just blunts your ability to take science into the argument.

Fac of the matter is, you're suffering from a case of xenophobia. Your analogy of being surrounded by Africans being scary is the symptom of this. Do you think a Nigerian would be scared in such a situation? No. That's because he's used to it whereas you are not. Xenophobia.

Apart from that ethnicities are not to be blamed here. The social situation of the immigrants are more applicable arguments.

Some more factual fallacies:
-No the Frenc don't consider Algeria national soil and your brand of xenophobia is specifically one of the cause of social unrest there
-Saying majorities of other racial groups do not cause social problems without factual backing. Have you been to Sabah? Indon and Filipino illegals are all over the KK and do commit robberies. I was a victim. But I don't blame they're race but their social situation (deprivation, lack of roots etc.)

So please don't keep your superiority complex on your debating skills, because they very much fail to marvel

cheers

Kris - THANK YOU. Voice of reason!

Pentiumboy - you are talking crap. There are plenty of people in Bangladesh/Nigeria/random third world country/etc that are well-off enough to go travelling or move elsewhere. Why else the high migration rate? It is a poor country fundamentally, but not all citizens are in the poverty line.

I'm a woman and I often travel alone. What threatens me is not the race of the person but the person's actions. I have NEVER had a "Nigerian" (or whatever illegal immigrant race you want to dump on me) harass me. However, I have been harassed countless times from people of the 3 majority races here. Does that make them evil? No, because they are not representative of their race.

I have African friends, some who I trust completely. I have friends of various races and religions. To pin the problems of a few on the majority is racist, senseless, and stupid.

btw I find the whole "bad Bangla"/"good Bangla" thing stupid. Being good or bad is not a default state for a race. Besides, "Bangla" is the LANGUAGE, so you guys using it the way you are right now aren't even using it correctly.