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Micro$oft is not only the old dog with new trick, but also an arrogant one.

I am a programmer, it so painful to compromise the web standard between M$'s and the http://www.w3.org/ 's

M$ had already had their own version of JavaScript, namely JScript

which is why FireFox et al have problem browsing certian website. Thanks to those site which use Micro$oft's non-standard version of JScript as the standard.

Now, with Atlas (heck, AJAX existed years back) i wonder how much pain would it be for the web developer again...

JEFF OOI says: I saw in the preview that IE6 problems like border chaos bug has been convincingly addressed in IE7 using live sites.

Can't M$ just team up with w3c to do somethg standardised?

Sorry for hoping too naively.. :P

Can't comprehend or understand why you people always bashing on Microsoft. Again I write Microsoft as Microsoft , not Micro$oft.

The fact that if you are more considerate and just stick to the ECMAScript standard and there will be no differences between Javascript and Jscript. Any broswer will support standard ECMAScript.

It you are working in a company that carries huge IT budget, you can have Microsoft Exchange 2003 than Sendmail. If all your users just using email but not collaboration , just use Sendmail.

Just that simple , whether you can afford or you do really need extra features - Why bashing , don't be religious over Microsoft and Linux

Its interesting to see how microsoft handles its problems & competition. They beat the competition & platue all the way till something poses a threat.

The delaying tactic actually favours microsoft & places priority on windows desktop monopoly. With their unpublished own standard, its way harder for competitors to play in alevel field. This is their capacity to monopoly the desktop market & not leading the tech edge.

The faster the web grows, the more likely windows would be obselete. Web based office tools & desktop will reign the next generation OS & Ajax is a catalyst.

microsoft needs to survive & in that windows must continue to be dorminant. IE7 will continue to differ from the web's real objective.

In the other hand, microsoft had achieved greater technology heights that most silicon valley companies & they are actually not the monopoly for all the Software markets, only for the desktop OS. So this is a jugle of give & take with atlas to ensure windows is still relevent.

They should have stick with xenix & we all will be running bsd variants.

Ajax is just a hype. There are tons of hypes in IT, you can learn all these hypes from Gartner and other consulting group. For example , BearingPoint suppose to assist customers to get SOX compliance but they haven't got themselves SOX complied yet.

AJax is trying to do simple web programming in a difficult way.. try this :
http://swik.net/Ajax/Ajax+Mistakes

What most people aren't aware of also is that Microsoft itself was one of the earliest adopters of AJAX technologies, making use of it in the Outlook Web Access component in Exchange 2000. XMLHTTP, a core API of AJAX, was originally developed by Microsoft for their Internet Explorer 5.0 browser (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XMLHTTP), which was available since 1998. But it took companies like Google to popularize it via GMail, Google Earth, etc.

I think it's more of a case of Microsoft not realizing they got a dog that can do really wonderful tricks in the first place! Now that the dog is old, they got a new one by the name of ATLAS. :)

It's nice to see that Microsoft's Dean Hachamovitch is wearing a pretty funky t-shirt - now Steve Jobs has competition in the fashion department.

JEFF OOI says: This morning, we were told the IE7 teaser t-shirt that Dear wore is now up for bid on eBay. Tagline: Get a piece of history.

Lol, on a more serious note, it's good to see Microsoft on the offensive again. That company can be very impressive when it really needs and wants to. I'm on IE7 Beta 2 Preview 2 now and while there are some bugs here and there, overall I'm impressed with what they've done. Most interesting (in my mind) is the new collaborative attitude: forums and newsgroups run by Microsoft feature front and centre, not only for IE7 but also UMPC/Origami. Perhaps this is the beginning of new things.... one can always hope ;)

a Gartner hype cycle...

http://tinyurl.com/qwj3k

as much as i want to blame MS, W3 in part kena bantai also. I've been doing heavy-handed CSS and learning XML on-the-go for quite some time now, and it's frustrating that we STILL need to use hacks to do our job. Has anybody around here really tried to make their contents CSS-ly centered, across several browsers, all the while being W3-compliant? Yeah, so now we have another browser with it's own implementation of that. Yeah I feel your pain.

And don't get me started on CSS border issues!

After several years of heavy-handed hardcore superbigbang CSS coding, I can honestly say that the result for having that "W3-compliant" PNG image on your page isn't worth the trouble and effort.

For all the (supposed) goodness of IE7, I'll be waiting for it's ACID2 test. Here's hoping that it'll perform AT LEAST better than IE6's :)

Guys

Simple thing .. don't sell what you can make, make what you can sell ..

So in the case of Microsoft, they got it right in certain aspects especially the commercial sense and in the process enrich themselves and their staff ...

and no, I am not a fan of Microsoft ..

cheers

Oh yeah before I forget

There are now AJAX, FLEX, ATLAS, FLASH, all doing essentially the same thing. So which one to choose?

Yeah it's Web2.0 all right. The web of standards all over again...