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lol.

right after graduation, my friend went to Melbourne to do her master, with one objective on her mind, she wants to get a PR there.

What??! Another smart ex-Malaysian we "lost" to another country?

I wonder if you consider me cynical for saying "so what about him being possibly an ex-Malaysian"?

If Dr Chan's parents continued here, it would have been such a waste of talent. Look around us, everyday you see such wastage in our human resources....

This blog always make me depressed la...but how else can I know the truth behind the papers' headlines?

"I love doing maths because it is fun. When you do maths you always know when you are correct,” he said.

When you find joy and fun in whatever you are doing, you are your natural self and using your natural abilities. When you use your abilities out of responsibility (being paid) you distort them.

You work (help) because you think you should, not because it is a joyful part of your being. And you begin to question, “Who needs my help most?

Why the fuss? When someone scored big, M'sian try to claim they are one of our proud M'sian e.g. Vijay Singh (almost, if not for the common immigration's blunder), Michelle Yeoh, Jimmy Choo, Robert Kuok, etc sedangkan they barely identify themself as M'sian.
This kid already been in Australia since the age of 3. Already assimilated into the western Australian culture. Brought up by the Australian education system, hence acheived his oustanding results.
So, pls, stop the claiming of overseas M'sian *sic* big shots as one of us and pls improve our education system instead. And whether tudung or non-tudung issue should not be give much prominence. Like the IGP said, dun bother about the remeh-temeh issues la.

It is not a loss to bolehland, as m'sia simply does not have a culture and materials to nurture genious brains, due to her "non-competition policies", so to take care of ahmad, samy, ah chong...

But, down here, one can becomes "Billionaires, by putting one's good brain into businesses, but not academics. That is how "smart brains' been doing, and realising. like YTLs, Airasia etc...

Don't forget, Singapore's Newater!...Thats founded by Olivia Lum, formerly of Kampar, and presently also a nominated Member of Parliament in Singapore who made it ONLY because she left Malaysia for Singapore!

Here is the statistic from my own experience...

Of the same batch of students graduated during the same semester in my college in USA, only 3 of the 12 students returned to malaysia so far. Non of them intend to return in the near future.

yes i agree with durkheim, its ridiculous to associate a high achiever who was only born in Malaysia when he has been abroad for his whole entire life ...

The best thing is 'we' have the face to claim the foreign high achievers as our because her/his mother's uncle's nephew's daughter is a MALAYSIAN.

Brain and skills doesn't apply here. The only applicable thing is NETWORK. Of course the NET that can WORKs only called NETWORK. "GLC", now that's a ultimate NETWORK.

P/S: Recycle bins also categorised. Malaysia well....

I agree that that has nothing to do with the Bolehland.

Dr Chan is lucky to have parents with a foresight who would be able to get him out from the black box on time. The right type of soil will produce right type of fruits. In Australia, he becomes a sweet orange, if he were to be in Bolehland, he would turn into a sour lime.

If he were to be in Bolehland at his present age, our bolehland leaders would simply tell him” Oop! Sorry, actually English is very important, let’s start all over again to teach English in mathematics and science subjects beginning from primary one. “

Didn’t DPM comment that if Vijay were to stay in Bolehland, he wouldn’t be a world champion?

I guess you're like me Jeff, will have to worry and get ready a FAMA scholarship for our kids. For them to survive, they have to be global citizens. I'm making sure they master global languages like English and Chinese. The world will compete for the brightest to maintain their edge. The developed countries like Australia knows this and continue to pursue brain-gain policies which partly resulted in their 4-5% economic growth. Malaysia has not even reached there in its economic development and we're struggling with the current growth rate. If not for the petroleum and petroleum related industries, our single engine of electronics put us into a very delicate position. Even then our electronics can tahan 5-10 years as after that other asian countries will assume our role. And after 10 years, our petroleum would have depleted to a critical level so what do we derive our growth from. We failed to create global companies like Samsung, Singtel and the likes. Time is running out for Malaysia. If we cannot or will not tap our innovative resources then at least be a good copier. Even then our misplaced priority and policy resulted in Thailand getting to be the Detroit of Asia. So, cannot innovate, cannot copy hence now we have to look into Agriculture, Biotech and Tourism. We're already losing the Biotech march. Singapore has a few percentage of its GDP from Biotech industry and we're still .... where? Previous leader mentioned that globalization is evil. It's half truth. Globalization is 'evil' if we cannot compete globally. One by one you'll see the benteng fall like Proton, MAS .... We can try to revamp them but please do it double-fast i.e. fastrack them. Already doing business here as someone suggested the brainier ones should focus is under threat. Our competitive edges like better infrastructure, better educated work-forces, better legal and financial systems etc. are no longer better. It's either being offered or better by other asian countries who are hungrier than us. Last sentence, globalization is already here and swamping our shores and Dr Chan and the likes are the key to riding (not turning) the tides.

Malaysian or not. The boy is a GENIUS!

The current Malaysian Education System still incapable of maximizing the full potential of the younger generation (even the older ones).
A revamp is needed!

Go to the local premier university, see for yourselve how the Drs recruit research assistant, to help them prepare journal and powerpoint. Then you will realise how the Drs get the title. Then, you expect this kind of environment can nurture talent????

Let me quote you a very recent example. A query with my eight year old's class teacher regarding my eldest daughter's boredom in the classroom (she consistently topped her class) got this retort : " Listen, I have 35 other pupils to take care of so she will just have to fit in".
Me and my mrs took a long hard look around us, and at our three young kids' faces, and packed our bags and left for Australia. My now nine year old happily plugged into the so called Australian education system, and within 2 weeks, was immediately promoted to a level more stimulating and challenging for her. Such is the difference in the standard of education. Guess which education system is obsolete and in dire need for a major revamp?

sigh.. this is so depressing. to paraphrase something i heard from yasmin ahmad's gubra.. it is difficult to love something that doesn't love you back.

Our country is so lucky to be blessed with abundant of very best quality resources including human resources.I leave it to yourself to go and find out who's who.
You name it and we have it.We just have a lot of very talented people from all fields,be it IT,finance,R&D and etc.
These people are highly sought by not just first world countries but the developing one as well.They willing to offer everything they could even cizitenship and needless to say abt monetary rewards.
I am pretty sure they(from Tun M to Pak Lah) know abt these very well and they even know more than what we do.But question is,why nothing could be done to curb the losses?
NEP is they key,from the past till today,no UMNO president dare to bet on their entire political career by abolishing NEP and revoking Malay Special Right.
What happend to our father of independence? Pls go and find out more abt him and is good to know that.

yes... another malaysia boleh...
boleh lost all the talents with no regret...
cause bolehland U's got a quota to meet...
cause bolehland got double standard for everything...

Like many others, I don't consider Dr Chan to be a Malaysian, since he left the country when he was very young. He is very much a product of Australia in the achievement sense. So I always cringe with embarrassment whenever I read stories in the press about how 'Malaysians' like him make it big in some foreign country. Don't get me wrong - I'm not pouring cold water over their achievements. It's just that we seem to have developed a culture of lauding successful overseas Malaysians as if their success was the direct result of our country's educational, economic or social systems. The fact of the matter is that in most cases it has very little to do with all that.

Sorespot, which planet did u come from?

Someone mentioned that two-thirds of the community of practicing doctors in Singapore are Malaysian Chinese.

Yup throw meritocracy out of the window and see what happens. In Australia, a Malaysian Chinese becomes youngest ever PhD holder in Uni of Melbourne, top uni in Australia. That's because he went there at 3.

If he stayed here:
1. He would have had every bit of creativity squeezed and kicked out of him in primary and secondary school.
2. He would be wasting his enormous brain power on "mandatory" subjects like Moral Studies, instead of focusing on his true calling, Maths.
3. He wouldn't have much support from his teachers, who are more interested in getting to lunch time without getting their cars firebombed.
4. He would've had to sit STPM (which wouldn't be a problem for him) because his place and scholarship would've been given to someone else already (who???)
5. IF he maintained his genius qualities until university (mind you, at 21 he'd still be goyang kaki in 1st/2nd year) he would've had to put up with uninterested lecturers who have very little qualifications and even less incentive to inspire the students to excel. Why? Because they're stuck in a poorly paid dead end job.

Conclusion? Migrate to somewhere else where you are appreciated and where you can excel and bloom. Don't waste your talents here in this country where only the mediocre and the well-connected (usually not mutually exclusive) excel.

And yes, Vijay Singh would not have been world champion if he had stayed in Malaysia.

One thing for sure, Vijay didn't forget how he use the unforgiving fairways and greens here in Malaysia to train himself into one of the world's best golfer. Tiger Woods was trained by his father when he is small. Later in this career , Butch Harmon shaped him to be consistent and the rest is history. So, should I proceed to give the example?

Some choose to complain but not striving to improve and make it better with 'ACTION'.

For example, while many of us surfing net in our comfort home yesterday, how many is out there to do the demonstration?

Good move Benny! I know your daughters will excel in everything they do in Australia.

And for those malaysians with ambition to become a world class golfer. After using the unforgiving fairways and greens here in Malaysia...GET OUT! Go out somewhere where you can really become a champs. Places where sports don't mix with politics.

By the time you succeed, some newspaper will claim : WORLD CLASS GOLFER, A CHAMP THANKS TO THE HOMELAND'S (MALAYSIA) GREEN.

This guy is a genius :)

While he is not the 1st 21 year old phd, there more that I have met doing the same (in the computing field).

Some shared this sad theory at 2001:

The poorer the country ($ & education), the stronger the goverments' influence. So in order to gain prolonged control, the people has to pay (with debt & education).

Well, how true... NEP failed. Makes me question, was it ever meant to be successful? No wonder these kids left malaysia. They migrated to 'self incubate' themselves to be successful.

On the other hand, I have to admid that in the land of the blind, the one eyed man is the king.

Thus, anyone smarter with guts could make it with alot of hard work. Also True.

There is something significantly wrong with this country's roadmap. Makes one question: Is one supposed to be intellectual of dumb to be political slaves?

Mr Wyse'man must be coming from wiseplanet.

Dr.Chan is the product of Australian Educational System. Lucky that he can retained his Malaysian name even he is an Australian, and delights all of us in Malaysia. Japan is not allowed, he must adapt a new Japanese name.

And I am the product of Malaysian Educational System. Just looking around, and check back to my wise classmates in my kampong,(and you too). If I were not sent to Bandar School after my Lower Certificate of Education, I think I will still be doing what my hometown classmate is currently doing. Well, in Kampong, everybody doing the samething to earn a living. How lucky am I, studied in Bandar. I am different from my fellow classmate in kampong.

Do you think you are lucky too ? No ! You will be even more lucky if you go to Australia at age 18.

Do you see the change of environment changed the person! If Malaysia allows open competitions and accept only those capable students into capable universities, Malaysia will not be Malaysia as is today.

Strange, One can say that the NEP was really helping non-bumi. I am non-bumi and fully support the NEP as it is preparing us for real world outside Malaysia. How many Malaysia have moved overseas and contributed to their adopted country? Just like the Jews in the second world war, they have contributed so much more to their adopted country. So, NEP is great for us as it force us to be more that we are and forces us all out of Malaysia and competition is easier when we move into another country.

Thank you Bolehland for forcing former Malaysian to be more than what we are and to contribute to our adopted country by rejecting us and telling us that we are not good enough. After all, we have the results to prove it.

Also, just to note, this sort of treatment does not only extend when you are in Malaysia. How many Malaysian officials have met or invited Dr. Chan to any Malaysian official functions? It is a clear message, DO NOT EXPECT ANY HELP FROM THE MALAYSIAN GOVT IN MALAYSIA OR OVERSEAS. I know of countless cases where Malaysian of their adoptered countries have rendered more help to them than local Malaysian embassy as they do not want to know you if you are less than a "Datuk". This is true esp in Australia as I have met with Malaysians in Australia not getting any help when their passport was stolen or burnt.

Does anyone know what happen to the Malaysian-government-discovered girl genius in UK whose messy family background turned out to be an embarassment?

As regards to the passport thing, there is a joke about the comparison of the Malaysian passport and the Australian Passport.

The Malaysian passport is worth a lot of money as if it is stolen it could be sold in terms of tens of thousands of dollars. To reapply the passport is a real hassle. However, the life is not worth that much, as there is little evidence that the embassy really cares.

The Australian passport isn’t worth that much as it is valueless if possessed by others, and to reapply back the passport, you just get it back from any post office within ten days time. However, when their citizens are in trouble overseas, the whole country is backing them as reflected from the recent cases of drug couriers in Singapore and Indonesian. Though it is not a good example, but it just shows how much they care for their people; please note that the citizens include white, yellow and black.

To the migrants, Australia is a place they really can call it home!

Kingkong...err...although I have commented on this fuss (read my post, the 4th one above) I beg to differs with your statement that M'sian passport is valuable because of its hassles in reissue (under non-normal circumstances, I presume), whereas Australian passport is "within" "ten days"?? "ten days"????.

My recent experience and those I knew can get a new M'sian passport (under normal circumstances) within 3 days (some within the next day)

And I think Wisma Putra do put its efforts in contacting M'sians in overseas to ensure safety everytime there are emergencies in host countries.

But Australian's lobbying in meddling in other country's legal system...well, I think its not entirely a right thing to do. Gotta respect others sovereignty sometimes.

Oh, and I'd be rather worry if I can just get my passport in any post office...not to mention "ten days".

Kingkong,

You mean backing those drug trafficker is good? Your kids gonna buy the drugs you know???!

JEFF OOI says: This is off-tangent to my blog topic. I will DELETE and crank up your "junk" status after this, no questions asked. you

If the country really back their citizen, why the Australian hostage has to die in Iraq? Huh?

To durkheim1,

In response to Lupus’s post on the stolen / burnt passport, I mentioned this passport thing.
What I meant is the case when reapplying the passport under abnormal circumstances. i.e lost case. To get back your lost Malaysian passport is a real hassle. I also don’t know why, they may have a good reason, but it is a hassle in reality. When it is worth the money, it attracts theft, however if it is valueless, it is safer.

To Govanni,

I did say that was not a good example for the drug traffickers. I am against it too. Don’t get me wrong, and I am with you in this respect. However, it is the care that the government for their people that I try to illustrate. I am not quite clear of the hostage story in Iraq.

My kids have been trained and doing very well and they know the harm of the drugs, thanks for the concern.

Take it easy, just a post; saying one’s mind which is subjected to delete or debate whatever.

Hi Kingkong,

No offence seriously. Got what you mean. But what i see is that if someone decides to move on to greener pasture, let's bless them but please always remember for the comrades who still fighting here, for a better life.

By the way, I'm sorry if i digress. I always digress.

"Here is the statistic from my own experience...

Of the same batch of students graduated during the same semester in my college in USA, only 3 of the 12 students returned to malaysia so far. Non of them intend to return in the near future. "

This is digressing a bit but its this situation where there will be never be a popular supported move to remove Malay Special Rights. Such acts are deemed disloyal, and should not be rewarded. Such acts will only affirm the belief that such people makes use of Malaysia as a stepping stone and have no intentions to contribute. For most Malays, Malaysia is home, and most will not entertain the notion of living outside the country, even if it means better opportunities, because spiritually, Malays are connected to this plot of land that makes up Malaysia.

Historically, the Chinese & the Indians have always been
more adventurous, and have seeked newer horizons. Case in point, Malaysia, where many came to Malaya seeking employment and wealth. We're seing the same now, as many are leaving Malaysia to seek wealth and employment.
A central point of argument here has always been how Singapore is better, but Singaporeans too are leaving Singapore for better pastures. So really, is there really no end to all this moving about?

With globalization and modern transportation, mobility of people is great.

It is human nature that people tend to move to greener pasture irrespective of race; or simply living creatures instinct. Migrating birds are doing that.

Not long ago, the ministry of Health complained that there were over a hundred medical doctors on government scholarship who have refused to come back to serve the country. Some stayed even as long as eleven years overdue. I suppose most of those scholarship holders are Malays according to the quota of NEP. When personal opportunity and rewards grow bigger, the so called loyalty will grow smaller. It is a matter of price actually. And not to mention about some VIP politician who got caught in money laundering scouring property in Australia. I am just simply stating a reality. Please, correct me if I am wrong.

Singaporeans are leaving also because the parents say that the stress due to competition is too great to bear for their children. They also move to places where they think are more conducive for the development of their children.

It is really a matter of a choice and we must agree that people have a right to choose. It is the wisdom of the government of the day to attract good and talented people to help in the nation building. Singapore is doing that because it has something to do with the productivity, wealth creation and competitiveness to survive.

Yeah, i have many singaporean friends who move over to malaysia... They all cited: better opportunities...

What can we do, what can we do about it ???

Your availability not taken is my opportunity and my demand not fulfill is your opportunity. It is not surprising that people move so that countries take the advantage in balancing up the difference.

If you include opportunities other than business and investment, as jobs, careers, education, schools and universities, objectively speaking, there exists more opportunity in Singapore than here. Just stand at the causeway everyday in the morning, thousands of Malaysians cross over to the other side for jobs, and schooling; let alone those Malaysians living there doing their university courses, executives jobs, technical jobs and including some of the CEOs of their corporations. In addition, the vegetables and farm products market is a big opportunity for the Malaysian farmers.

Perhaps the volumes (people and goods ) flowing to Singapore is more than those of the other way round. That is why we are in a hurry to build a crooked bridge (now scenic bridge ) pending on the approval of Singapore before joining up. Quite a joke, isn’t it? But that is the wisdom of our government.

What can we do? One way is to move to where the opportunity is. Go global and become a global citizen, adopting a global outlook; within the four seas, we are all brothers. If Dr Chan’s parents didn’t move, Dr Chan won’t be as he is today!

When you do succeed, and have your packs of gold, any country will welcome you including your home country. Isn’t there a so called silver hair, Malaysia, my second home program? Well, this place is good for retirement, cheap and good comparatively speaking and the weather is conducive.

I would like to ask you if you have know anyone that have lost a Malaysian passport while on an oversea trip? Have you ever tried to renew your passport oversea? Let say that you were visiting to China, Australia or even Germany and someone beats you up and takes your wallet, watch, money and passport. Your wallet contains your Malaysian IC and drivers license.

Let say that you are a Malaysian chinese and try waking into a Malaysian embassy in China, give them your Malaysian IC number and tell them what has happen. Do you think that you will get any help? I can only guess what will happen but if someone has experience this, please share their experience with us. I would guess that it will be up to you to prove that you are a Malaysian citizen before the Malaysian embassy will provide you with assistance. I known of one case during a trip to Singapore many years ago and came across a Malaysian chinese year who gave up his Malaysia passport for an Australian passport. He had everything stolen on his second day in China. He told me that he went to the Malaysian embassy for help but they turned him away as he had no documents to prove that he was a Malaysia citizen, even after he had given them his Malaysia IC number. They told him that he could be a Chinese citizen posing as a Malaysia and trying to get a Malaysian passport. If he wanted help, he had to prove his citizenship.

Now, let look at the facts, you are alone, lost in a foreign country, no money, no ID and no help. How do you prove that you are Malaysian? What happens if the police picks you up and you have no ID and get arrested? You can go to the Malaysian embassy as they already claimed that you are not Malaysian?

How did it end? Well, he was an Australia PR and lucky enough to have kept his Australian drivers lic. separate from his wallet and passport. He decided to seek help with an off chance that he might get some help from the Australian embassy. Using his Australian drivers lic, the Australian embassy managed to verify his PR status, provided him with emergency cash for a hotel and flew him out the next day. Now, it was not paid by the Australian tax payer but he had to pay back the Australia Govt but he was happy to do so. What happen when he got back? It was too much of a hassel to get a Malaysian passport in Australia, so he gave up his Malaysian citizenship and got an Australian passport.

durkheim1, it is not to argue with you as I am sure that you have valid points and agree with you that Australia should not be meddling with other country's legal system and that Australian passports are posted via the postal system. However, a friend from the Australian Law enforcement have told me that there are security features in the normal Australian passport that can be verfied in any Australian embassy or departure points. It is not published nor is it common knowledge as the person who attempts to change it would not know about this feature. Then again, you expect help from your Govt when you are in trouble in a foreign country like that Malaysian woman caught with drugs in Australia. What assistance did she get from the Malaysian embassy ?

My personal experiences however have been good and bad. I have worked for example in UK, France, Germany, Singapore, Thailand, US and Australia and must say that the level of service is different. In Germany, when I register with them, service has been very good and easy but in Australia, I never heard from them till I left a year later to acknowledge my registration via email or the phone.

So, what does it say? As a Malaysian who has lived in Malaysia, I was a 2nd class citizen. As a Malaysian working oversea, I was treated at times worst than a 2nd class citizen. Going back to Dr. Chan, PhD at 21 yo. Do you think that the Malaysian Govt would have kept in contact with Dr. Chan's parents? Unlike some of my non-Malaysian friends who worked in Malaysia, their embassy attempts to keep in contact with them. Did the Malaysian Govt offer Dr. Chan with scholorship even he may not need it? Just read the parliment debate on education in the Hansard that was posted in this website. Education is not important enough to be debated. Let's face the real issue here, education is a political issue to be used and score points and that is what Malaysian MPs in Parliment will ever see it as.

To Lupus,

Thank you for your information as regards to the help one could get from the Australian Embassy using the PR status. This is a very useful information as my family members do travel quite a bit and we are aware of the seriousness of the problem of losing a Malaysian passport overseas. At least, there is an alternative way to solve a problem just in case.

Thanks and Cheers!

I noticed that a lot of the posts reflect a belief that Yao-ban's success was a result of the Australian education system.

After reading several news articles about him in full, I can tell you for a fact that he was home-schooled by his mother.

Also, he has not been in Australia since the age of 3. He moved to New Zealand at the age of 3. He moved to Australia much later in his life - at the age of 16.

Viz: we cannot attribute his accomplishments to any education system besides the efforts of himself, his mother, and the people who have supported him.

I found a list of the news articles about him at this site called Yarra Maths. It seems his mother isn't satisfied with turning out 2 geniuses - from what the site says, she's teaching everyone's kids now, some kind of online teaching, I'm not sure! I've posted the link if you would like to read those news articles too: http://www.yarramaths.com/news/101

Hope that clears up some of the confusion.

To Lupus,
I read your posting dated 14th March. I think a lot of people are in the opinion that Chinese Malaysians are 2nd class citizens. But that's not necessarily my opinion.

To all,
I also have a passport problem. Just last week I got my bag containing my Malaysian passport stolen while I was in Singapore. I had to make a police report in Singapore, then with the police report, go to the Immigration and Checkpoint Authority (ICA) to get a document to bring to the Malaysian High Commission for me to get a temporary travel document to enable me to return to Malaysia. I was told by the Malaysian High Commission that I have to get a new Malaysian passport when I got back. Then I went back to ICA with the temporary travel document and they cleared me to leave Singapore. Now, I am back in KL.

I didn't realise that losing one's passport is such a serious matter until I heard from a friend that the penalty for losing a passport is 5 years without getting approved for a new passport. Instantly, my heart dropped.

Now, I am feeling so desperate. I can't imagine myself stuck in Malaysia not being able to visit even neighbouring Singapore at all for the next 5 years.

Can anyone who has lost a passport share your experience as to what you did and whether you were able to get a new passport without waiting 5 years?

In fact, I will welcome any feedback and advice whatsoever. I thank all in advance for your feedback.

I am feeling so down and I really don't know what to do now ...

If I am banned from getting my passport for any extended period of time, I'll start to think that I am a 2nd class citizen after all.

Kingsley
kenviro@gmail.com

All u ppl have no idea wat ur talking about. king kong is right. Yaoban moved to New Zealnd wen he was three. And yes, he was taught at home by his parents and sister, yi shuen. Im 14, malaysian, and being tutored by yaobans paarents. I DONT think malaysia has lost a great mind. Yaoban is more Kiwi than anything. and yes, he DOES play and watch rugby.