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don't be surprise if the Special Branch gonna embark on such measures for the govt. Big Brother gonna come judging from the kris corp.

If I remember correctly, GMAIL is part of Google, what should we do with them?

I ask this question is because I wanted to drop Yahoo for a different reason and use Gmail ... :((

JEFF OOI says: According to RSF, Google did not disclosure user info to the Chinese authoritym but they did self-censore their search engine caches for sensitive key words like "Jiang zemin", Falun Gung, "64" or "June 4" etc in Google.com.cn.

Flickr is under Yahoo..

hmm...what about users of del.icio.us, are they not welcomed as well - it's owned by Yahoo too!

true, are u gonna stop using flickr?

JEFF OOI says: Like I said, gradually, I will move out, perhaps to pBase.Migration of photo files is quite a tedious and painful process as the uncomprressed images are stored in numerous storage folders and mechanism. It willbe time-consuming to locate each of them.

Interesting!

Does this mean that people who write offensive, infammatory, abusive, insulting comments on this blog will be identified?

JEFF OOI says: In China, Yahoo! gave the critical information to the authorities. Theoretically and realstically, this can be done. You can't run away from your digital trail

I agree with dignity2u..it is yr personal freedom not to use yahoo related services. But why blame yahoo if owner of the blog does exactly the same as what yahoo does by providing user's details to Malaysian authorities. an example of that the famous (islam comments last year).

Is this an instance of double standards?

any comments???

JEFF OOI says: I take it you are taking a low blow against me as the the case you cited was apparently to commenter "Anwar" who intentionally left a religiously inflammatory remark on my blog though I gave him a 24-hour grace period to retact his inflammatory remarks which I don't consent nd condone, and he was ultimately banned from further commenting when he failed to comply with my requirement within my timeline.

Go get a copy of investigative papers from the authorities to get your facts right - one from MCMC and therother from Bukit Aman. Commenter "Anwar" gave himself up to the authorities and sought pardon BEFORE I was asked to give a statement by the two authorirties - MCMC on October 9, 2005, and Bukit Aman on Feb 28, 2005. How can I "fight" his cause when he gave himself up - not discountingthepossibilities that this offensive commenter has actually repented?

Please be accountable and responsible for what you said. The rule of thumb is to check your facts. Innuendos and fitnah won't help in any case.

thanks for the remarks...

i am refering to your statemnt that you are willing to give away his details to the authority. Either you gave it or not, is another case. But you were fully willing to give all his details to the authority.

I guess yahoo also does the same. I don't see any difference. Only that they already gave the info while u didn't have to do that but if u were to be asked, you were willing to do so...

it is a point to think about not a call for fitnah as you call it in yr reply...

regards

JEFF OOI says: Malaysia is a mult-iethnic country whose peace and prosperity must not be taken for granted but nurtured. As Internet is not a legalvacuum, I will not consent and condone to my readers posting inflammatory and seditous remarks in my blog - and if I did it myself, I will be the first one to face the music. As such, I will not hesitate to put on record that you post your comments in this blog at your own peril as it has a high traffic, is being monitored by the authorities and foreign embassies, it is a public domain. For the sake of my country, I will not defend those undefensible by Malaysian law - because I do have deep pockets like Yahoo! to engage legal experts to defend me -- I am just a man of straw. Furthermore, the country's interests should come first before self. That's the high road.

Jeff,

I have to admit that I have strong brand prejudice against Yahoo.

I don't like Yahoo either. Long before they did such "disclosure".

jeffz;

finally, big govt will succeed in COOPTING big business...

I urge you to re-think bundling out Yahoo mail & associated services. At the end of the day, what the Govt dictates, it's up to the corporates and individual users to decide -- for better or for worse -- we can't stop the mediums -- and Yahho mail is just another medium -- so let's work the systems as far as we go.

There is a price on every one's head, some saying goes.
Wonder if somebody would offer RM24m for mine?

JEFF OOI says: Thanks Desi for the thought. I will surely re-consider it and I will go finding alternatives to Yahoo! services. If anyone have new discovery on alternatives, please share your info.. Thanks.

After all, the internet is not a very safe place for anyone to say anything they wanted. Human rights have never been enforced in countries like ours and china. We all have to be careful. I hope yahoo will change it's policies too, so I'll boycott yahoo.

Jeff

I read again and again this comment that you write on the posting by iammar.

“For the sake of my country, I will not defend those undefensible by Malaysian law ………. Furthermore, the country's interests should come before self. That’s the high road.”

I propose that we extend this moral obligation to:

For the sake of our planet, we will not defend those Homo sapiens that cannot be defended by god’s law ……. The planet’s interests should come before the interests of any country or any individual.

There is a chinese saying:

人不为己，天诛地灭.

I think this affects all of us. Who never think of ourselves first? Especially, in this materialistic world nowadays?

Jeff,
Much as I hate to admit it, iammar has raised some valid points. Let me say firstly that I don't know the exact case he was referring to, so you must excuse me if I get some of the facts wrong. Were you willing to pass the commenter's info on to the authorities, if he hadn't given himself up first? If, IF you were, then what's the difference between you and Yahoo doing the same to the cyber-dissident in China?

Also, with all the talk today of freedom of expression, and being a more permissive society, how do you reconcile that with banning someone just because he expresses a view contrary to yours, no matter how repugnant it is? Isn't this another example of the self-censorship and authoritarian censorship that the media in our country is under? And if the readers of the blog cannot dismiss an idiot for what he is, isn't this a sign that our society is still not ready nor will they ever be for true freedom of speech?

I'd honestly like to hear your views on this, and again I apologise if I got the facts wrong.

JEFF OOI says: I have answered similar question in 2004, and earlier today to another reader. I haven't changed a single comma in my thoughts.

Right, ok. I wasn't around in 2004 to read what you said, and I was asking for a clarification from the earlier comments. Never mind, I won't press it. Sorry for wasting your time. Cheers.

JEFF OOI says: I am integrating the old 2003 - 2005 archive onto this blog in the next few days. You could do a keyword search on the blog frontpage, starting reading posting titled: "Screenshots vilified in Berita Harian" date October 3, 2004, and more archive onwards...

hann:

with new developments, with exchange of ideas, a Blogger may adapt to changing horizons and more informed mindset following feedback, such as yours and iammar please realise we -- bloggers and commenters -- work under jeopardy from the authoprities.

We the axe falls, it falls hardest on the blog owener; so a little give-and-take helps to promote the interests of everyone. I visit Screenshots often -- the range of diverse views helps expand my horizons.

I think even Jeff -- or Desi, humble self or any Msian blogger - may be allowed - aloud- to evolve up the scale of civilised Blogging discoutrse, yes? We arern't here to chiefly score points -- put across maybe, so we can conVERSE?

Using Jeff's channel: Happy Valentine to All!